Flops

[993_Pilot]

... What kind of things are the FLOPS guys looking for in a contract?

We are looking for basically the same things that Netjets has. I don't know if we'll get them all in a first contract, but I can promise you one thing, and that is that we will no longer be the red-headed step child of the fractional industry! Personally, I expect a CBA with a NJ-like benefits & QoL package, and Pay somewhere within 5-10% of NJ.

 

[skyismyoffice]

I don't think FLOPs is hiring right now - still looking to get the 70 terminated pilots back online. FLOPs will be a better place to work but we have a way to go. If you are offered a job, take it. You can always move to FLOPs if things get much better.

 

[Publishers]

Even granting the success that Netjets has finally had, it was a grind to get there. If you look at the model for fractionals, it is really tough for any of them to make serious money. The most serious problem is once you take the low hanging fruit, the customer out in Bozman Montana or somewhere remote is a killer as none of the plans really distinguish the geographically undesireable client and charge them more for all the dead heading to get to them. One thing acutally helping Netjets is things have slowed down and they can put more energy into Europe which is strong against the dollar.

 

[lowspeed]

the thing about flops versus avantair is there future sales and growth possibilty. With gas going up avantair will only look better. Where a beech jet and hawker even a phenom 300 will look worse. There is a reason netjets is bailing out of the beechjet market. So things will only get better if your sales keep up without that a fraction dies. Avantair had a 10% increase in sales last qaurter over last year.

 

[imacdog]

There is a reason netjets is bailing out of the beechjet market.

We are?

 

[mainiac]

Gotta back up Glasspilot on this one, I don't have any resumes anywhere, and hopefully won't ever need to!
Word is that our financials have improved drastically over the last 6 months, during a definite recession!
Also, remember that we are a fairly new company, and I'm confident that our compensation pkg will grow as the company continues to grow. In my approx 2.5 yrs, we've gone from 22 to 49 aircraft, and the added numbers just keep improving quality of life on the job.
Owners are very happy with the product, and the growth is continuing. By all means, come here to "hang out until Netjets calls", but don't be surprised if you decide to stick around for the long haul!

 

[mainiac]

Oh yeah, and sorry to hijack a FLOPS thread, but I was talking about Avantair!

 

[lowspeed]

I talked to a Netjets standards capt. in the vineyard and he said that netjets was phaseing out or not saleing beechjets anymore. Is that bad info.

 

[brokeflyer]

I talked to a Netjets standards capt. in the vineyard and he said that netjets was phaseing out or not saleing beechjets anymore. Is that bad info.

kinda.....all our planes are indisposal to be replaced with something else. The 400xp will be phased out as well, but it may take another 5 years.

Our problem is they can't build planes fast enuff to cover our demand, which is closing on almost a 2 year wait list for new owners.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Beechjunks aren't going anywhere for quite a while. We just aren't taking any more of them.

 

[jonjuan]

Our problem is they can't build planes fast enuff to cover our demand, which is closing on almost a 2 year wait list for new owners.

2 years? BS-Can't build which planes fast enough? Who told you this? As an experiment, call nja sales and tell them you wish to buy any new aircraft they sell. $50 bucks says you're looking at an immediate delivery within a month.
Your problem is that management is lying to you and you believe them.

 

[fischman]

Our problem is they can't build planes fast enuff to cover our demand, which is closing on almost a 2 year wait list for new owners.

I agree. Who told you this?

 

[brokeflyer]

I agree. Who told you this?

i dont really remember, i think it was either upstairs or in comp rec.....

 

[Galaxy]

Call Cessna and ask for the next available Citation.. You will laugh when he tells you the date...

Brand new CJ4's start deliver 1 qrtr of 2010. Next available...2014.. and you put a chunk down NOW!

 

[Galaxy]

2 years? BS-Can't build which planes fast enough? Who told you this? As an experiment, call nja sales and tell them you wish to buy any new aircraft they sell. $50 bucks says you're looking at an immediate delivery within a month.
Your problem is that management is lying to you and you believe them.

Call NJ sales.....Just because you buy a share for a brand new (insert Jet name here) doesn't mean you will fly in it. They will sell you whatever you want to buy.... That is what sales people do..