FLOP's Union Drive

[DO-82 driver]

How are things going over there with the Union support amongst the pilots?

I know your management has been using some scare tactics but is it having the desired effect on you guys?

Just curious.

 

[netjetwife]

Stop--you don't have to answer that.

We'll understand if Options pilots prefer not to give help to the other side that may be used against them. We wouldn't want them to adjust their efforts based on reports they may read here. PMs are welcome if ya'll want to provide us with an update. I wish each of you all the best in your efforts to secure the fair/good contract that you have earned. Dig in your heels! NJW

PROFESSIONAL PILOTS DESERVE PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTS

 

[Guitar rocker]

We'll understand if Options pilots prefer not to give help to the other side that may be used against them. We wouldn't want them to adjust their efforts based on reports they may read here. PMs are welcome if ya'll want to provide us with an update. I wish each of you all the best in your efforts to secure the fair/good contract that you have earned. Dig in your heels! NJW

PROFESSIONAL PILOTS DESERVE PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTS

NJWife, you are over reacting a bit here I hate to say. DO-82 is simply asking how the union support is among the pilots at Options. He isnt asking for details to be posted here about their business. Sure "we wouldnt want them to adjust their efforts based on reports they made read here." But then again, what is said here isnt gospel either......

 

[DO-82 driver]

Give me an "Amen!!" Brotha Rocker!!!!!!!!......

Though I do understand NJW point. The post was intended to "rally" a lively discussion for our newest Local 1108 Brothers and Sisters....Nothing more.

 

[netjetwife]

I'm just sharing a warning that I've been given. Apparently, forums are watched more than we may think. Remember during the NJ contract battle some of the pilots were sure that management was reading this board.

So what could they learn from a "simple" question like how is union support?
I'll suggest 3 scenarios to illustrate the point.

1) Running high---get Ford and Harrison on the phone! What are we paying all that money for?! Tell them to squash this....

2) In the middle---we're getting there. What else can we try now?

3) Things are grim--that's great! We're right on track...just keep doing what you're doing and soon the pilots will cave in.

Surely my support for the pilots is well known? I, too, wish them well and will take this opportunity to encourage them to hang in there and develop their unity. Get/stay informed, follow the advice of your leaders, pay dues so that resources for your fight are available, realize that the company won't pay a dime more that you don't fight for and remind yourselves that it can be done. By fighting for the contract you have earned, thus do deserve, you are standing up for yourselves, your families, and your profession.

Best Wishes!
NJW

 

[Guitar rocker]

NJW, I do understand your point. But remember, anyone could come on here and say things are great at FLOPS or that they are terrible.....perhaps someone who doesnt even work at FLOPS. And then some may be truthful. But I dont think that their mgmt (even though they might be here looking and reading) can take everything said here as gospel. If they did, just think how many would be here trying to fool them! Your point is well taken, but at the same time, this isnt the official board where FLOPS mgmt will base their decisions for their pilot group.

That being said, I wish the best for all at FLOPS and hope that they get what they deserve.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Give me an "Amen!!" Brotha Rocker!!!!!!!!......

Though I do understand NJW point. The post was intended to "rally" a lively discussion for our newest Local 1108 Brothers and Sisters....Nothing more.

You bet there DO-82!!!!!!!!

 

[AceCrackshot]

All things considered, well. This is a war that has been fought a thousand times and will be fought a thousand more. Patience and the Pledge will win in the end. And they know it.

 

[netjetwife]

GR, the counter-points you make are surely known to those in leadership positions. Nonetheless, some take the view that you can't be too careful. I've been honoring the request that was made of me. But it does seem that what is good for the goose is for for the gander, right?

As far as offering words of encouragement goes...I think a whole thread of supportive posts would be wonderful. Sometimes just knowing that others agree with you and believe in your cause can make the uphill battle easier. Expecting the industry standard for providing comparable services is absolutely correct. I definitely see it your way! Good Luck! NJW

Organize your efforts
Persist in your demands
Take it a day at a time
Invite others to join you
Onward to the contract
Now is a great time to
Stand your ground, pilots

 

[nerdpilot]

I guess the union is not happy that all the pilots are not paying dues yet on account of that is what they were told when the union drive was in full swing. Now I think it is a good idea to pay your dues to show solidarity but there are alot of guys looking else where and really dont want to pay dues to a union fight that may take 5 years with a company they no longer want to work for.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

I am the Union, along with each and every brother and sister on the senority list. You will get out of it what you put into it. I personally contributed my own money(thousands) voluntarily to help strong union, the precurser to IBT 1108. Do what you can, it will pay you back in spades. Just look at our current contract.

A couple of points here:

First: Yes, management and their union busting hired guns-read Ford and Harrison, do read what is posted here- on a public access forum.

Second: Following the facts given in one above, the ONLY forum that should be taken as gospel is the official 1108 union website. This is only accessable by pilots on the current senority list.

Third: You may ask "what if there are rats among the pilots on the senority list"? well I can tell you that they can and will be found out. We have already been there and done that here at Netjets.

Fourth: You ladies and gentlemen who are professional pilots at Flops have, and are being provided with the correct tools to get the job done. It is up to each and everyone of you to make the effort each and every day to reach your goal of having your first collective barganing agreement.

Fifth: Your Brothers and sisters here at Netjets are giving you all the support and help that you need. If you have questions please ask through the offical website to a union member.

Those of you who have never gone through this before need to ask those of us who have gone through this before. Some of us have been through this rodeo more than a few times. Let me tell you that it is always the same. Don't react to the company FUD machine- fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Don't fret it, stay the course, stay officially informed, and push forward.

Get motivated, stay focused, and keep fighting for your future.

 

[netjetwife]

NP, there was a time in the not-too-distant past that pilots also saw NJA as a stepping stone rather than a career. Few hold that opinion now. If the Flt Ops pilots will apply themselves (and all available resources) to their contract battle, they can turn things around at their company, too. Why not work to make the job you enjoy one you can afford to keep? That's exactly what my husband and many other NJ pilots did. Our family and many, many others definitely think the hard work was worth it.

If the job isn't currently enjoyable at other fracs, I'd remind those pilots that it isn't just the money (a point some tend to forget) but those all-important work rules and QOL issues, as well. A collective bargaining agreement is your best chance to lay down rules you can count on and that will ensure the job remains a fair exchange of your labor and skills. Those who've been watching their work rules and benefits erode know only too well what I'm saying, unfortunately. The good news is--it doesn't have to be that way and you can do something about it.

Considering all the help being offered, there's no reason not to be optimistic and determined. While none of us have a crystal ball, 5 years certainly sounds excessive to me. Look at how fast SU was able to turn things around for the NJ pilots after they left 284. Options pilots get to start out with the backing of a Strong Union so that puts them closer to their goal already. Remember, it's widely agreed that labor unrest is not productive. Present your message firmly (yet professionally) enough and you'll get it across. Management will settle when it's in their interest to do so. Be persuasive! A strong show of force (unity) backed up with funds (dues) gives you a lot of leverage. When you realize that you're stronger than you think, your group will see the positive results of standing together (organizing).

As BM says, others have gone through the process before you. Take advantage of their experience and hope from their outcome. There's a lot to be said for stability. The NJ pilots will tell you, if you make the job you already have, one you want to keep, you'll be glad you did.
Hang in there!
NJW

 

[hammer2]

Wow, Flops guys, thats some interesting news. We're all pulling for you. really!

 

[Just Peachy]

Army

See the post "The flight options Army"

Right on ! Bro !!