FLOPS PILOTS. If you're hesitant to sign up for the flops board on asap;

[waka]

For those of you that are skeptical about ASAP's authenticity, please check; http://www.whois.net/ and type in; "asapflightdeck.com". This will yield the following ;

WHOIS information for asapflightdeck.com:
[whois.melbourneit.com]

Domain Name.......... asapflightdeck.com
Creation Date........ 2004-10-21
Registration Date.... 2004-10-21
Expiry Date.......... 2006-10-21
Organisation Name.... Association of Shared Aircraft Pilots
Organisation Address. P.O. Box 980773
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Park City
Organisation Address. 84098
Organisation Address. UT
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
Admin Name........... Paul Konrath
Admin Address........ P.O. Box 980773
AdminAddress........
Admin Address........ Park City
Admin Address........84098
Admin Address........ UT
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... [email protected]
Admin Phone.......... 800-221-6121
AdminFax............
Tech Name............ Brian White
TechAddress......... 1311 Darcann Dr.
TechAddress.........
Tech Address......... Columbus
Tech Address.........43220 Tech Address......... OH
Tech Address......... UNITEDSTATES
Tech Email........... [email protected]
Tech Phone........... 888-522-3738
TechFax.............
Name Server.......... ns1.secure.net
NameServer.......... ns2.secure.net

Given this, ASAP would have to be a pretty elaborate ruse to be a management ploy. I also suggest that you use the "look up" feature on your Blackberries to look up the two names mentioned. You will find that neither one of these folks have a FLOPS email address. Granted, this isn't fullproof but, for one, I am confident that ASAP is indeed genuine.

http://www.asapflightdeck.com

 

[netjetwife]

Waka, it never crossed my mind that they'd be too worried/distrustful to sign up. How sad!
A few words of encouragement for the FLOPS pilots--

http://www.bluemountain.com/view.pd?i=119435888&m=1932&rr=y&source=bma999

 

[Grizz]

That message board is the real deal. It is sponsored by ASAP and is administered by a Flight Options pilot that's 110% committed to getting effective representation for his pilot group. The ASAP Communications Committee Chairman, Paul Konrath, and I assist in technical matters with the message board administration. The NetJets MEC and Stewards frequent the board to answer questions about the card drive, union organization, the NMB, and what to expect if you guys/gals decide to join/form a union. Everyone's real name is verified against the Flight Options seniority list during registration and is removed completely from the message board so that pilot's identities are protected. The address to join is

http://www.asapflightdeck.com/foasap.html

Fire me a PM if you have any questions.

Griz Adams
ASAP Webmaster

 

[FracCapt]

I have no clue who the Flight Options pilot is that is running the board, nor do I really give a sh!t....but I CAN say that Grizz is who he says he is(BTW, he is the guy that set up that website, at the request of Phoenix, for the FLOPS pilots), and I verified that before I signed up for the board. No worries here.

 

[netjetwife]

Of course, Griz is who he says he is---a good friend to lots of us--

Hope your recovery continues going smoothly, Griz!

 

[Grim Reaper]

Many have signed up on the ASAP web site. Most do not want to. That is the fact.

Also, RTA ezboard site is now registration only. Guys, it's not looking good.

 

[netjetwife]

That's too bad......the way things are going, now seems to be a very good time to be discussing things privately.

 

[Phoenix]

That's too bad......the way things are going, now seems to be a very good time to be discussing things privately.

Unless you are sitting face to face, on the phone, or private email there is no privacy. All of these boards are public forums to one degree or another. Some are completely open to anyone to read or post as the Ezboard board has been. Now it is still public to all to read but not to post.

The company board in operated and controlled by the company. Management has complete access to the board. The company board has controlled access, user name and password required, but the company knows who is saying what and can use the post of pilots to identify them as no playing the company tune and take action against them.

The ASAP board is not public. It was set up by the NetJet's MEC and provided to us in an effort to help us organize our pilot group. It requires a user name and password to access the board. During registration the name of the pilot registering is checked against the current seniority list to verify they are a pilot and not management or some hired guns of management. All information that the pilots use to register i.e., name, address etc, is erased and is in no way accessible by even the most skilled hacker because there is nothing there for them to see. The only post you will see is from a pilot. If we suspect that a pilots login information is being used by management to disrupt the board we can communicate with the pilot and if necessary shut him down. Like ASAP this is a message board and communications site that is by pilots for pilots.

I'm just another line pilot like any of you, and at this time I'm the only Options pilot administrator. That will probably change in the future with addition of others. When ASAP announced their intentions to form a local for Fractional Industry Pilots I approached them about setting up a board to start the organizing effort. And it has become the primary source for getting out the word and cards for our pilots. In a little over a month it has been open we have registered 178 pilots and more are coming every day. My view is that it can be used as a gauge to indicate how the organization efforts are going. When we have around 50% of our pilots registered on the board we will be close to having a vote. Having a positive vote for a contract at Options is the purpose of the board and what myself and others are working for. We have no other agenda.

I urge all of our pilots to register at ASAP, download a card, mail it in, and be active on the board. Having the thoughts of 900 pilots on any given subject is much more enlightening then the thoughts of a limited few. We are much stronger when we are all pulling together.

One last thing. When you register and print off the registration card, print two. Keep the second one to make copies of for those pilots that have not yet entered the computer age.


http://www.asapflightdeck.com/foasap.html


Phoenix
Contract ASAP

 

[luvu]

ASAP board link for Flight Options pilots

http://www.asapflightdeck.com/foasap.html


1) Register
2) Print out two signature cards
3) Fill one out and send it into ASAP local in Ohio
4) Use second card to make copies and leave them in stock lockers or similar locations for use by others
5) Netjets pilots can carry copies also and help distribute them to Flight Options pilots they run into while they are doing their 14 hours in FBO.
6) Registration growth has been exponential. With everybody's help we could easily be there this time next month. Now is the time to push the cards HARD.

 

[netjetwife]

Private=not public

Phoenix and Luvu,
I'm sorry if my post wasn't clear. It was meant to encourage the FLOPS pilots to sign up for their section of the ASAP board. I fully support what you are doing and I wish you success with your efforts!

 

[tubelcane]

Phoenix,

How is the effort going? How many cards have you guys/gals received?

 

[Phoenix]

Cards in

Phoenix,

How is the effort going? How many cards have you guys/gals received?

Not sure how many at the moment but we have registered about 190 pilots on the board with more coming every day.


Phoenix
Contract ASAP

 

[longrangekiller]

Yes, I am a registered member of the Flight Options ASAP site. I registered for access to the babble as have many I know. Sending in a card is not a consideration for most.


As I read the posts on the Flight Options ASAP board, I see this site is permeated with same rhetorical hyperbole seen on all the internet bulletin boards for the past several years; very disappointing.


If the average Flight Options pilot was as upset as those few who post on the Flight Options ASAP board would have us believe, the vote would have occurred and the Flight Options Pilot Union would be certified by now. But the cards are not coming in is sufficient numbers and there is no real way to verify the cards sent in to this point. Throw in a complete lack of interest of the part of the IBT Airline Division and what ya got? NOTHING but hype.

 

[netjetwife]

It's the Options Shuffle....2 steps forward (posts by Phoenix and Luvu) and 1 step back (LRK's post). Sad, but not really surprising. It is said that change makes some people uncomfortable, even if it is for the better. When the NJ pilots were collecting cards/petitions for their own local, they had their share of naysayers, in the beginning, also. Eventually, though, the more cautious members of a group become adjusted to the idea of change and the effort gathers momentum. NJW

 

[Phoenix]

Your mouth over loading your Arss

Yes, I am a registered member of the Flight Options ASAP site. I registered for access to the babble as have many I know. Sending in a card is not a consideration for most.


As I read the posts on the Flight Options ASAP board, I see this site is permeated with same rhetorical hyperbole seen on all the internet bulletin boards for the past several years; very disappointing.


If the average Flight Options pilot was as upset as those few who post on the Flight Options ASAP board would have us believe, the vote would have occurred and the Flight Options Pilot Union would be certified by now. But the cards are not coming in is sufficient numbers and there is no real way to verify the cards sent in to this point. Throw in a complete lack of interest of the part of the IBT Airline Division and what ya got? NOTHING but hype.

Hey Killer if you are a member, I seriously doubt it, but if you are why don't you advance you opinions on the board. Do it just as an experiment to see how many of these guys you say don't give a shiet flame your butt.

I'd be willing to put money on you not being a registered member on the ASAP board and most likely one of management's lackey boys out to make a weak ass attempt to discredit the current effort. If you're going t spout this shiet come over to the ASAP board and let see what kind of response you get from those rhetorical hyperboles.

 

[longrangekiller]

Mr. P. What you do not know or refuse to believe will cause problems for your organization effot. Do you really think there is a magic SXXt Screen that protects your site?

 

[Phoenix]

Oh Shiet.....I afraid

Mr. P. What you do not know or refuse to believe will cause problems for your organization effot. Do you really think there is a magic SXXt Screen that protects your site?

Oh Shiet.....I'm afraid


Get a grip sport, the only one I fear is God.

You are the one that lacks the intestinal fortitude to express and stand up for your views in the forum that you choose to attack and belittle. Instead you make your speculative, inaccurate, and now threatening statements here where you don't have many that will call you out. You sir are a coward expecting others, those you attack to be cowards.

The organization drive currently in progress at ASAP for the Options pilot may ultimately be unsuccessful but not form lack of effort, commitment, or individuals like yourself interested in seeing it fail. It will fail or succeed because the majority of body of our pilots don't want it. Personally I don't feel this is the case. Or challenge is to get the word out to all of our pilots so they know that there is a union effort and what they have to do to express their desire for one.

As I said I do not believe you are an Options pilot and therefore can not register on the Options board, hence you post your bilge here.



Phoenix
Contract ASAP

 

[longrangekiller]

man, you sound just like the long departed Will Burnet.

 

[Phoenix]

Will Burnet

man, you sound just like the long departed Will Burnet.

Don't know him but he must have been a hell of a man.


Phoenix
Coatract ASAP

 

[yosemite]

Its 'Brunet'

Dumbass...

Hey LRK, if you can't get it right, then close your trap.

Will is a friend of mine and a danged good man. He stood up for his fellow pilots at your company and was targeted for it. OBVIOUSLY, you are unwilling to do the same.

All I can say is that your company's numbskull managers have made him a multi-millionaire, most likely. He will only smile at me when I ask him the question.

Nothing you need worry bout tho...

Takes 'nads' to earn your first million.

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for clearing up my confusion, Yosemite. I've heard the same thing about Mr. BRUNET from my husband. That was an expensive lesson for Options to learn! I can't imagine that they'd be in a hurry to repeat it, any time soon...
That makes Will something of a "trail blazer" wouldn't you say?

 

[GVFlyer]

What was the final determination in the Brunet, Jeter, Tumlin v. Flight Options law suit? Was there an admission of wrong doing? A published settlement? Are the three pilots still employed in aviation?

GV

 

[LAZYB]

I believe it was a court ordered gag...

What was the final determination in the Brunet, Jeter, Tumlin v. Flight Options law suit? Was there an admission of wrong doing? A published settlement? Are the three pilots still employed in aviation?

GV

don't ask, don't tell.

 

[tubelcane]

new poll, what should the new F O company slogoan be?

a. A Higher Pain

b. Lowered Expectations

c. A Broken Plane

d. A Waste of Time

e. Will Fly For Turkey Sandwiches

 

[leardawg]

Our sh*t don't stink (it smell like canteloupe!)

 

[El Chupacabra]

don't ask, don't tell.

Two or three may be at NJA

 

[learflyer]

Flight limited Options.

 

[SheGaveMeClap]

e. Will Fly For Turkey Sandwiches

But you have to pay for them out of your own pocket!!