Flops phenom pay.

[el raton]

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[GlorifiedCabbie]

What world do you live in? On my last 8 day tour, every day was at least 12 hours long. Only one MEL. Handjob is spreading this bs on his roadshow only to sow discontent with the Flex pilots. Flightaware doesn't reflect the fbo rot 4 hours on stby before the scheduled trip. Flex is no longer. You have been sold to the "used car salesman" of aviation. You don't remember the days before the Union, where we had 16 hour duty-days and rolling rest periods. Any Flex pilots wake up yet? This is your new reality.

 

[shanes123]

lmao. What a loser you are. Did a email go out about crews can't use wifi on plane??? You know why? Cause to much gay porn was being looked at by bumper butt in the IRL dept. oh and by the way. How many flexs heads he step on to get that seat? Trust your management

 

[el raton]

What world do you live in? On my last 8 day tour, every day was at least 12 hours long. Only one MEL. Handjob is spreading this bs on his roadshow only to sow discontent with the Flex pilots. Flightaware doesn't reflect the fbo rot 4 hours on stby before the scheduled trip. Flex is no longer. You have been sold to the "used car salesman" of aviation. You don't remember the days before the Union, where we had 16 hour duty-days and rolling rest periods. Any Flex pilots wake up yet? This is your new reality.

We (Flex) live in the same "world" you live in! We have the same "12-14 hour" days you have. We get stuck with the same "fbo rot" you do. The only difference is, we cover our work and get stuck with the work that your side is responsible for yet won't do.

This isn't RH spewing "bs", this is our life on the flex side made difficult by your side. The facts are this: most of the trips we recover are phenom trips...our days are difficult because of the work ethics of 'some' in your fleet. I know there's legitimate groundings and we all get tired, but the number of cancelled trips coming from the phenom fleet is too high to not be substantiate as a trend. Suck it up and do your job.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Total bs. We are so understaffed, we have green airplanes sitting with no pilots. So, what are you saying? Do you want us flying broke, tired or hungry? No way. As a professional pilot, I WILL maintain a professional standard even if I am not compensated as one. Get off your high horse and get back to work. Any Flex pilots wake up yet?

 

[1folinepilot]

We (Flex) live in the same "world" you live in! We have the same "12-14 hour" days you have. We get stuck with the same "fbo rot" you do. The only difference is, we cover our work and get stuck with the work that your side is responsible for yet won't do.

This isn't RH spewing "bs", this is our life on the flex side made difficult by your side. The facts are this: most of the trips we recover are phenom trips...our days are difficult because of the work ethics of 'some' in your fleet. I know there's legitimate groundings and we all get tired, but the number of cancelled trips coming from the phenom fleet is too high to not be substantiate as a trend. Suck it up and do your job.

Seriusly Dude? You need to step back and rethink your comment! RH is clearly lying to your face and you are too stupid to realize it Ricci has the Phenom fleet over filled with Nextant owners that were converted to The Phenom and completely understaffed with pilots to fly the airplanes. We are flying our asses off every day and doung recoveries from the Lear and Clallenger fleets as well. We have no control over what Mgt does with staffing levels so before you go shooting your mouth off about a lazy flops pilot, think twice because its not us, its the ********************ty management we all are forced to work with

 

[NachoMamma]

its the ********************ty management we all are forced to work with

Are you guys still in contract negotiations?

 

[Imissmypilot]

Seriusly Dude? You need to step back and rethink your comment! RH is clearly lying to your face and you are too stupid to realize it Ricci has the Phenom fleet over filled with Nextant owners that were converted to The Phenom and completely understaffed with pilots to fly the airplanes. We are flying our asses off every day and doung recoveries from the Lear and Clallenger fleets as well. We have no control over what Mgt does with staffing levels so before you go shooting your mouth off about a lazy flops pilot, think twice because its not us, its the ********************ty management we all are forced to work with

1FOlinepilot: Was your account hacked or have you finally had enough of the BS? Too funny to observe your schizophrenia but welcome back to reality.

By the way El Raton I have taken a little interest lately in scouring FlightAware and trying my best to interpret the data. Additionally I have noticed the ass backwards way things are working on the Flex side and try to work that into account. It's obvious the accusations in your now deleted original post I saw just before you took it down are wrong.

My interpretation is many planes sit for days (which spells definitively broken or uncrewed) while at the same time many planes are being overworkd with 12-14 hour days and questionable planning requiring some tails to do coast to coast (assumed by data inference) positions legs to airports that have an uncrewed plane within a hours hop.

Additionally I know for a fact several of my trips are handed off to other crews as recoveries simply because scheduling came up with a different plan for me late in the game. I know because I've seen what the other crews get or have gotten myself and happen to know whose on the plane I'm supposedly recovering. I have been sitting in an FBO ready to go when I've had trips taken away simply because I'm in the middle of a tour and they need to significantly change my next day plan because another crew refused OT or they couldn't get a go home flight late enough in the day. I know without question you have had the same things happen and more. The point: you have no way of knowing what kind of "recovery" you are getting. My bet is 9 times out of 10 it's not, repeat NOT, the pilot's fault.

I think the way the do crew planning now is so different than what we are used to, it's easy for Rick to manipulate the appearance and he has fun doing it. That blustery fool has doubled down on his benedict arnold and cannot be taken seriously.

I get you are pissed about sli but, dude, you have got to get over it and get back from the dark side. You are someone who in the past made such good points for our need for a union you actually helped win me over. Don't make Rick's mistake and double down on stupidity just because one thing didn't go your way. That's what children do and I don't think that's an accurate description for you.

 

[doh]

I didn't see your original post. But it's pretty cowardly to erase it when you take a little heat. I very specifically asked Jim D during my long recurrent if we were extra busy because the Options pilots refuse to fly, write up bogus items and/or call fatigued. He told our entire class: "that is absolutely not the case, the Options pilots work every bit as hard as we do". So if you are saying otherwise, you are a liar. If you are reading and believing that on yammer, you are reading and believing a lie. The real driver of this scheduling insanity is the furlough of 60 pilots. We have far too many uncrewed green airplanes. Phenoms, Lears and Challengers are all short staffed to the point we are dis servicing our customers. That is solely management's doing, and it is a travesty.

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Ever since the original furloughs back in 2008 FO has always run a very very lean crew. I have literally parked a green plane at the end of my tour and then airlined to the same plane at the beginning of my next tour!

 

[shanes123]

This is your new reality flex setters. This is why there's a union here in the first place. Overworked and underpaid make KR a wealthy man. Only saving grace is enforceable work rules. The amount of unscrewed planes is alarming. What does it cost to have 30 airplanes sitting everyday ? Any economist would tell you it's not sustainable. Flying phenom customers in Gulfstreams and Globals is not sustainable. Pissing off your employees is not sustainable. Flying a bottle of wine to a charter company that's doing one of our trips is not sustainable. Do any of the naysayers see anything wrong with any of this? Or is this how Bombardier operated ?

 

[1folinepilot]

Ever since the original furloughs back in 2008 FO has always run a very very lean crew. I have literally parked a green plane at the end of my tour and then airlined to the same plane at the beginning of my next tour!

EXACTLY! I have done the same thing several times in a row. We do not have enough pilots to staff our airplanes and fly the trips that we have. Scheduling always has trips they cant place so they lie to the owners and recovery crew as by telling them that they had a crewmeber get sick or a plane break. They will never admit that the disservice is to inadequate staffing levels. Crews cant even get the PTO they are requesting.

If you dont believe me then the next time you are in CGF just walk around and listen, listen to the schedulers joke about changing the delay codes from the post flights, Listen to owner service joke about what they told the owners they can fit in an airplane. Listen to catering joke about the meal they specifically ordered for a cremember and then call it chef choice or short notice. Listen to mainenance joke about pushing simeonr to reset or try something different or to continue to watch it as they dont have anybody availabe. Listen to logistics joke about the aft middle seats they booked a crewmember in and how fast they had to run on their shiort connection. Listen to them all laugh at what clowns we look like in our grey shirts striped pants and pleather indianna jones jackets. Just pull up a chair and listen

 

[shanes123]

The uniforms get the biggest laugh. Even more so from other pilots and CSR in the FBOs

 

[OldCrow]

Who,s Doing WHAT?

I have heard this from Pilots that have gone to FLEX, that,"they" are picking up our work!? I thought it was just a bad rumor, but maybe a few believe it. Here is the fact.
I have been the Phenom for awhile, and I have >700hrs/year for the last several years. Check your logbook, and then we'll talk about FLOP's slackers.

 

[1folinepilot]

I have heard this from Pilots that have gone to FLEX, that,"they" are picking up our work!? I thought it was just a bad rumor, but maybe a few believe it. Here is the fact.
I have been the Phenom for awhile, and I have >700hrs/year for the last several years. Check your logbook, and then we'll talk about FLOP's slackers.

Exactly correct! The Phenom fleet is completely overworked and under staffed. RH and the schedulers are directly telling lies to the Flex guys to create animosity towards the Flops guys and the Union

 

[Imissmypilot]

Exactly correct! The Phenom fleet is completely overworked and under staffed. RH and the schedulers are directly telling lies to the Flex guys to create animosity towards the Flops guys and the Union

Come on bud, let's be fair. Until just very recently you personally were a big part of why that was so easy to do.

RH is a proven liar. Many times proven. It's why Kenn likes him. Every single waterview manager except one (and one ex one) have been. That is one area where the old and the new have stayed the same.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

50+ hours/month with 45+ legs/ month. The new norm. Now PAY ME!

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

What the Flex pilots don't see is the fact Uncle Kenn thinks the Flex pilots are overpaid. If he can figure out a way to pay the Flex pilots less, he wins! What he would really like if he can cut their pay and make it look like it's the Union's fault. Any Flex pilots wake up yet? This guy has no conscience, and will treat everyone like pawns if he can get away with it. I don't want to hear any of your whining when Uncle Kenn wins anything we worked so hard to get. If you don't get on board now, you have no one to blame but yourself!

 

[TexasChallenger]

What the Flex pilots don't see is the fact Uncle Kenn thinks the Flex pilots are overpaid. If he can figure out a way to pay the Flex pilots less, he wins! What he would really like if he can cut their pay and make it look like it's the Union's fault. Any Flex pilots wake up yet? This guy has no conscience, and will treat everyone like pawns if he can get away with it. I don't want to hear any of your whining when Uncle Kenn wins anything we worked so hard to get. If you don't get on board now, you have no one to blame but yourself!

The problem is so long as the red label legacy and challenger 350 pilots continue to get nearly $30,000 bonus checks people are going to continue to wear their blinders to the unions message. I for one know that if the decert is successful and we have no cba that the massive bonuses will probably dry up pretty quick. The union should send out a email every day with the companies red label proposal that gives red label pilots furlough protection over non red label pilots.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Decert? For that subject even to come up, makes one wonder what is really going on with the Flex pilots. Uncle is doing everything in his power to get rid of the union. What does he want to replace it with? An organization run by Syphilys? He thinks he is still relevant. The playbook calls for him to wish people happy birthday(info given to him by the company), and to wish Happy Holidays(Merry Christmas) to try to form a friendly bond. This fake bond is solely for the purpose of the decert. He is not your friend.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

The 30k bribe is in exchange for flying broke, tired and hungry.

 

[shanes123]

If you look at KRs payroll metrics with 85% of the pilots being under paid and the low salaries the other 15% are paid compared to the other professional run companies before the Bone Us. KR probably has the lowest salary cost per pilot in the industry.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Those days have to come to an end!

 

[dime line]

If you look at KRs payroll metrics with 85% of the pilots being under paid and the low salaries the other 15% are paid compared to the other professional run companies before the Bone Us. KR probably has the lowest salary cost per pilot in the industry.

It's in his book

 

[shanes123]

It says in his book pay your employees SHT tell the their the highest paid and they will be stupid enough to believe it?????

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Yes. Because it is all about telling half truths. He pays a small portion the most and then can advertise that he pays the highest wage. What he does not say is that it is only for the top 10-15 percent.