Flops Called...help!!!!

[SheGaveMeClap]

Flybet,

Did you do the phone interview? How did it go?

 

[FISHINGOR]

Rumor has it that during the first hiring event in over a year Flt Ops did very poorly. The pilot and flight attendent hiring was for the 21 day schedule, and ATL domicle. Flt Ops sent out 130 pilot employment offers and only got 10 pilots to accept. Of the 10 pilots 5 did not have ATP's and the other 5 did not have any turbine time. All the 10 pilots did not have min. requirements for Flt Ops. Time will see how many make it to end of training. Bets are that only 4 will make it to the line. Of course all will be SIC's for at least 7-8 years, so those that do stay around that long will make good pilots. Co-pilot for 8 years when regionals are close to 2-3 years at present. PSA is hiring and upgrade time maybe less then 2 years. Company goal was to hire 20 pilots during ATL event. On any day 10-15 airplanes are sitting without crews and they are chartering over $1 million per week. Next hiring event will be Dallas area. Time will tell how many they can hire in Flex's back yard, when Flex is paying more to start. If anyone has a postion flying with regionals stay there and DO NOT MOVE TO FLT OPS. My freinds tell me not a good place to work at present time.

 

[Mason]

Rumor has it that during the first hiring event in over a year Flt Ops did very poorly. The pilot and flight attendent hiring was for the 21 day schedule, and ATL domicle. Flt Ops sent out 130 pilot employment offers and only got 10 pilots to accept. Of the 10 pilots 5 did not have ATP's and the other 5 did not have any turbine time. All the 10 pilots did not have min. requirements for Flt Ops. Time will see how many make it to end of training. Bets are that only 4 will make it to the line. Of course all will be SIC's for at least 7-8 years, so those that do stay around that long will make good pilots. Co-pilot for 8 years when regionals are close to 2-3 years at present. PSA is hiring and upgrade time maybe less then 2 years. Company goal was to hire 20 pilots during ATL event. On any day 10-15 airplanes are sitting without crews and they are chartering over $1 million per week. Next hiring event will be Dallas area. Time will tell how many they can hire in Flex's back yard, when Flex is paying more to start. If anyone has a postion flying with regionals stay there and DO NOT MOVE TO FLT OPS. My freinds tell me not a good place to work at present time.

Let me clear up some nonsense in this post.

I am in this class of which you speak.

True-Five of us don't have ATP's, of those who don't we ALL greatly exceed the requirements and have the ATP written completed.

You say that all of us didn't even meet the requirements for FLOPS--this is BS
All have between 2500-3000 hours and a good amount of multi-engine jet or heavy t-prop time.

You say that five of us don't even have any turbine time-that is just simply wrong--all but one have considerable jet experience (except the c-130 driver)

Here is a breakdown of the class-

1 military with almost 2000hrs of C-130 time--some in actual combat.

2-121 Jet FO's

2-135 Lear and Falcon freight dogs, one of which is a dual rated helo pilot and instructor.

1-135 charter pilot who has prior 121 jet experience and who holds a type rating in the GII--yeah, he'll probably wash out.

The other four come from FAR 135 on-demand and have been flying (and typed in such aircraft as the LR-Jet, and BE-400)

Just a hunch, but that sounds like a pretty qualified group of people to me.

We all made it through basic indoctrination just fine and I foresee every one of us to do just fine down at simuflite.

Please get your facts straight rather than posting "rumor."

For the record, I was impressed with the training and feel that everyone was up front with us. Any you know what? If we don't like it then we can LEAVE.

Feel free to ask me any questions regarding anymore "rumor." How about asking me the next time some of your friends give you some more info about the company.

 

[choppengruven]

Dude! You better check the attitude before you go out on the line. It will get you in allot of trouble with what are some already disgruntled pilots. You'll find out soon enough that with a pilot group this size rumors happen all the time and 90% of the time they are wrong. Man if you just got started here and you cant let a simple rumor bounce off you without blowing up your in for a long road ahead. Welcome aboard and check the attitude in CGF becuase no matter how nice they trreated you while you were there you are now the enemy.

 

[Galaxy]

I got to meet a bunch of the new hires and talk a bit of thier experience. They all seemed fine to me. No attitudes found there. I would not mind flying with any of them at anytime. The biggest question I had to them is why here? Most of them were leaving crappy 135 or crappy 121 gigs. So, this job could seem better than what they came from. Remember FLOPS is no longer a career move, just another stepping stone to something better. Time will show its true colors and the mgt will treat these guys and gals the same as we get treated. But them again, they have had nothing taken away from them yet. To all the new hires-Congrats and good luck and see you out on the road.

 

[dime line]

Hey Mason


Just remember, send in your card when you come here!

 

[FLOPSouth]

I was in the recent new-hire class. FLOPS has a lot going for it in comparison to several 121/135 carriers. Yeah, mgmt did tell us how great and perfect the company is, but was also recieved the bad and ugly, the "Dark side" and RTA from various departments and pilots.

No company in the aviation industry is great right now, but all of us are looking for different things. Look at the previous posts it describes our backgrounds and right now FLOPS is a good choice.

If you think your job at FLOPS is so bad then leave as others have, and just as I did from my last spot, because I'm glad to be here.

Southside

 

[dime line]

"If you think your job at FLOPS is so bad then leave as others have, and just as I did from my last spot, because I'm glad to be here."

The original cop-out from somebody who thinks there life is so good and perfect. Hey just look at your paycheck. It will take you at least 5 to 7 (thats a #7) to upgrade. So that means for the next LONG while ( I hope you love your new job) cause you already know what your sorry pay will be. So being that you and I will probably fly together, yes we will have fun, enjoy your new dead end job.

 

[leardawg]

It's good and natural for new guys (and gals) to start off with a positive attitude, and no one should fault them for that. Getting a job you're seeking, when many others have been turned down, is always something to feel proud and positive about. I wish all of them the best of luck and prosperity with Flight Options. Having said that, there is the old saying "the newest broom always sweeps the cleanest." We all started out in this job with positive and upbeat attitudes for the future. I would encourage the new people to take it from those who have been there, and take action now to safeguard their future with the company. I, by nature, tended to resist the idea of joining a union, for reasons too lengthy to list here. I finally threw in the towel and sent in my card (before eventually leaving for a better opportunity). I wish I had sent it in a lot sooner.I still don't believe that unionizing is the solution for many professions. In this case, however, I have concluded that it is the only way the pilot group can have any say and any clout against arbitrary changes in their working conditions and quality of life. As highly-trained professionals to whom an enormous responsibility is delegated, we deserve that level of say and influence. We're not talking about assembly-line widget makers here. I would strongly urge newcomers to consider sending in a card, not to be in a position to make unreasonable demands, but simply to have a voice in these arbitrary decisions. Unionizing will not solve or prevent all problems, but without this clout you run the risk of becoming simple "flunkies" in every sense of the word, expected to do what you are told and shut up. I guarantee that most of the newbies will be cursing and moaning about their lot in life within a couple of years, and kicking themselves for not doing something to influence things while they had the chance. Take it from one who's been there!

 

[dime line]

leardawg you said it a lot better than I could have. Thanks