Flight Options union robs the first officers is this ok?

[Alaska82]

"current pilots will get the higher pay old plus 10% or new which ever is greater
furloughed recalled after January 1, 2011 higher of your old pay or new pay but no 10% increase.
8&7 First officer
OLD New
1 33996 48000 41.2%
2 36000 49680 38.0%
3 39996 51418 28.56%
4 45996 51418 28.56%
5 51996 55081 15.7%
6 54396 57008 4.8%
7 56796 59004 3.89%
8 63156 61069 negative
9 66372 63206 negative
10 69852 65419 negative
11 73500 67708 negative
12 74700 70078 negative
13 75900 72531 negative
14 77100 75069 negative
15 78300 77697 negative

7&7
OLD NEW
33996 45000 32.37%
36000 46575 29.38%
39996 48205 20.52%
45996 49892 8.4%
51996 51638 negative
54396 53445 negative
56796 55316 negative
63156 57252 negative
66372 59256 negative
69852 61330 negative
73500 63476 negative
74700 65698 negative
75900 67998 negative
77100 70378 negative
78300 72841 negative

16+2 if you work 16
OLD NEW
33996 48729 43.34%
36000 50434 40.01%
39996 52200 30.51%
45996 54027 17.46%
51996 55918 7.54%
54396 57875 6.4%
56796 59900 5.47%
63156 61997 negative
66372 64167 negative
69852 66413 negative
73500 68737 negative
74700 71143 negative
75900 73633 negative
77100 76210 negative
78300 78877 0.74%

Small Cabin
Captains
8&7

Old NEW
51996 58824 13.13%
54264 60882 12.2%
56796 63013 10.94%
63156 65219 3.27%
66372 67501 1.7%
69852 69864 0.02%
73500 72309 negative
74700 74840 0.19%
75900 77459 2.06%
77100 80171 3.98%
78300 82977 5.97%
80700 85881 6.42%
83100 88887 6.94%
85500 91998 7.6%
87900 95218 8.32%

7&7

OLD NEW
51996 55147 6.06%
54264 57077 5.19%
56796 59075 4.01%
63156 61143 negative
66372 63283 negative
69852 65497 negative
73500 67790 negative
74700 70163 negative
75900 72618 negative
77100 75160 negative
78300 77791 negative
80700 80513 negative
83100 86248 3.78%
85500 89266 4.41%
87900 92391 5.11%

16+2 if you work 16
OLD NEW
51996 59717 14.85%
54264 61807 13.9%
56796 63971 12.63%
63156 66210 4.84%
66372 68527 3.25%
69852 70926 1.54%
73500 73408 negative
74700 75977 1.71%
75900 78637 3.61%
77100 81389 5.56%
78300 84237 7.58%
80700 87186 8.04%
83100 90237 8.59%
85500 96664 9.97% "

Past the 10% that most of the furloughed guys won't see at all, it looks like a majority will be getting a paycut to the old payscale. How is this not considered a paycut?
This questions has been on the union web site for days ibt1108 skips over it and choose not to respond.

but this is what they think.
PILOT
How many red circled pilots do you expect to have? Sorry to keep bringing it up, but how did the F/O payscale come to allow lower pay on the new system when compared to the old?

Do you know if there is any hope for recall for those of us deeper into the furlough list? Or are we looking at "about" 5 years until recall? I'm sure the company has some idea as to their crewing and probably projected it out to some extent.

IBT1108
The F/O payscale is relative to the Captain scale. Typically in the avaition industry the F/O's are paid 67% to 68% of Captains. In our current situation at Flight Options, pending which way you want to view it, our Captains were underpaid or First Officers were overpaid. The payscales you see in the agreement, reflect normalizing the scale. The new scales put the F/O's making around 67.8% of Captains going forward after Jan. 1st 2011. I know what you are thinking and I agree, we wish we could bring the Captain scales up and the F/O scale would follow, but there is not enough money in the bucket to do such a thing at this time.

I do not know how many will be red circled or when the company will recall, so I cannot give you any accurate numbers.

ME
IF this is how the union thinks of its first officers i think this is wrong get your raise from the company or merit but don't steal it from me i hope they vote you off the property.


IS this the UNION way?

YOU SHOULD LET PILOTS KNOW YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT CAPTAIN.

I would rather take the pay scale that was offered by our old ceo and keep the work rule we have right now.

 

[brokeflyer]

maybe management should take a pay cut so others can at least live. I mean do you really need a minimum of $500,000 per year as a failed manager to survive?

 

[brokeflyer]

but there is not enough money in the bucket to do such a thing at this time.

thats funny right there


yes there is. there is plenty, they just choose to keep it all for themselves. If you think that's bad, go look at the golden parachutes.

 

[RJ Bum]

Not try to start crap, but how long has the most junior FO been there? Hough many have been there less than 5 yrs? thanks

 

[Alaska82]

Not try to start crap, but how long has the most junior FO been there? Hough many have been there less than 5 yrs? thanks

There where 4 small new hire class but other that that i would say every fo is 5 years plus

 

[jetwash]

It doesn't look like it is going to pass. More guys are are seeing details and they don't look pretty.

Between the furloughed guys and FO's they could swing it to a solid NO by themselves.

 

[993_Pilot]

It doesn't look like it is going to pass. More guys are are seeing details and they don't look pretty.

Between the furloughed guys and FO's they could swing it to a solid NO by themselves.

The FO's, former Captains who will now hold an FO seat and furloughed pilots will all lose out big on the contract as written. Personally, I don't think that the company cares and would rather hire pilots off the street at year 1 SIC pay. The only winners are the senior guys in the larger aircraft, and even they will still be way behind the rest of the industry. Most of them aren't MIGS anyways, so I'll be surprised if this thing passes.

 

[greygoose]

I think its going to pass, since people arent going to want to wait another 2-3 years. We will never get released for self help, with how things are written in the contract.

 

[skanza]

maybe management should take a pay cut so others can at least live. I mean do you really need a minimum of $500,000 per year as a failed manager to survive?

Well, when you become personally invested in the company, then you may be compensated as such...

 

[brokeflyer]

Well, when you become personally invested in the company, then you may be compensated as such...

then we know who to blame for failure