Flight Options Hiring?

[FO4life]

When is Flight Options going to turn around and start hiring? I submitted my resume July 1st, had three people walk in my name and still no calls. Can I expect one or should I go looking somewhere else?

 

[guido411]

From what I hear the hiring is still continuing but at a painfully slow pace. Every month when the seniority list is updated it gets shorter, names get added but more names are lost. The reasons for slow hiring come down to two answers, beleive what you want to beleive.

First reason: Simuflite STILL only has one BE400 sim. They've been telling people they'll have another sim next month for the last 12 months. They cannot possibly accomodate all of our new hires, recurrents and other customers as well as an influx of flops hiring.

The second reson: Some people in higher powers beleive we have too many pilots. They think we need to trim the numbers (possibly to make us more attractive to a buyer). Most of us in the Beechjet wonder how anybody can say we've got too many pilots when we can't crew the airplanes we have and we still buy more airplanes. But you just have to look at Citation pilots that spend their whole tour at home to see where management might get that impression. It's no fault of their own that some CJ and CIII pilots get at home stby a lot, but it does upset some of the people that have to take up the slack.

It's a fact they took the add for pilots wanted off the company website, in my opinion this doesn't mean anything because I've never heard of anybody getting hired by just filling out the online app. You not only have to have somebody walk in your resume but keep them bugging the recruiter. I've been told that they are keeping hiring from the resume pool they already have. So if yours is in, just have your contacts keep bugging HR. No telling how long in the future a call might be though. Good luck.

 

[KSUPILOT]

i have not heard anything about them hiring. it seems as if they are putting toether a class for the first week of Jan. I am not too sure about that though.

 

[FLOPSwife]

When is Flight Options going to turn around and start hiring? I submitted my resume July 1st, had three people walk in my name and still no calls. Can I expect one or should I go looking somewhere else?

Flops has more qualified resumes (with several people walking every one of them in) than they know what to do with...It's not a matter of them needing to "turn around." It is a VERY competitive market out there, and I don't think anyone here would advocate putting all of your eggs in one basket. With thousands of guys in the same boat, I wouldn't wait around by the phone. They'd have to hire a team of people just to make calls to "update" people on their status.
Hope you get the call, but I wouldn't turn down other offers while waiting...
(not a pilot, but this applies to any industry where there are a lot of qaulified people for a much less amount of good jobs).

 

[sky4]

It's no fault of their own that some CJ and CIII pilots get at home stby a lot, but it does upset some of the people that have to take up the slack.

I understand where you get the CIII guys on stby, those planes stay broke and they are getting rid of them, but being in the CJ I don't know of any pilots sitting at home on stby. We have been staying very busy.

Fly Safe.

 

[guido411]

but being in the CJ I don't know of any pilots sitting at home on stby. We have been staying very busy.

Just one incident that I'll pass along that made me say what I did. I don't talk to a lot of CJ crews, even though we often times are flying their trips. Ran into a CJ crew, PIC Day 8, SIC Day 2. Asked the SIC if his new Capt. was coming in that day or the next. He told me he didn't think there WAS a replacement coming in so they were sending him home on Day 3. Let me clarify that I DO agree we don't have enough pilots. But I can see where some people without the whole story might think there's a surplus when there are pilots getting paid at home.

 

[minimums]

FAT FO's

Most of us in the Beechjet wonder how anybody can say we've got too many pilots when we can't crew the airplanes we have and we still buy more airplanes. But you just have to look at Citation pilots that spend their whole tour at home to see where management might get that impression. It's

I think you may have been misinformed about the Citation fleet guys getting a lot of standby at home time. The only guys that get standby are first officers, that's because we are FAT on FO's. The Citation fleet is short of captains. If one person calls in sick, we are short crews. I don't understand why we are not upgrading guys to cover these empty seats. This, btw, has been common in the Citations all year, not just recently.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[sky4]

A Captain in the CJ is not going to sit home, even if the plane is in maint.

 

[beechjetpilot1]

I have to call bovine scatology on that one!

A Captain in the CJ is not going to sit home, even if the plane is in maint.

It is funny how much the CJ (and other citation products) guys I run into on the road brag about sitting at home on stby over and over and over again..............

 

[minimums]

Myth Busters

It is funny how much the CJ (and other citation products) guys I run into on the road brag about sitting at home on stby over and over and over again..............

Once again, it is the co-pilot's who get to sit home on standby, not the captains. All the guys could tell you that they are making Gulfstream pay too, but that doesn't make it true now does it?

 

[blee256]

Can you get hired into the Gulfstream if you come in with the experience in type? or do you work your way up to that seat?

 

[Grim Reaper]

Blee256; there was a time that you could come in off the street to the G-4. Not very likely now. Start at the bottom in the small cabin stuff and work your way up (may take years or could be a few months to work your way out of the small cabin stuff the folly of fractional aviation being what it is: who knows.)

 

[matchthehatch]

"may take years or could be a few months to work your way out of the small cabin stuff"

make that decades

 

[T-1GUY]

Just a personal observation as the ground school instructor at Simuflite for the December initial class. Training did apprear to slow down. Normally I have a full house (Dozen or more) in my class. I only had four new hires for options.

In regard to the Simulator, not a problem, we had plenty of room in the sim. The new sim is a reality. It should be moving down from the factory in the next few months....

See Ya...

 

[guido411]

There wouldn't be a problem with the sim if it was ONLY Flops folks using it. Last time I was there there were 11 people, 4 Floppers. With the other people in the class it makes it tough to get everybody in and keep the cobwebs out of the sim. You do the math (11 people x 2 hrs each) not much time for delays. And it sounds to me like people I talk to on the road hear the same thing I did, doesn't matter if it was before I was there or after I was there, they've been proising a new sim in the "next couple months" to everybdoy. I'm not saying there's no new sim in the works, but people at SF have been drastically underestimating the delivery date.

 

[beechjetpilot1]

I was there a couple of months ago......I had late shift. Our checkride was supossed to start at 2330, but it kept getting pushed back due to the sim breaking on earlier crews. We didn't even start our checkride until 0630.....missed our airlines on day 9....ended up being up well over 36 hours when all was said and done.....I was none to happy. We don't seem to have nearly as good of sims and sim support at simuflite as we did at FS.

 

[rajflyboy]

I bet you guys miss FSI ICT

 

[rajflyboy]

I heard that your alls schedules at FSI and SF are controlled by your management... and that your management had you guys/gals working very long hours for initial and recurrents. Making everyone unhappy... pilots/instructors..etc.

Is that the case?

 

[450]

No. We do not fly any days on the line before or after recurrent anymore. The schedule at Simulfite is not bad for the pilots unless you get lousy sim times which I never have. I prefer Simuflite over FSI and had a great Instructor last time around.

 

[rajflyboy]

training is training is training. All the same stuff.

 

[450]

..........

 

[flyr4hire]

SF training

is getting much better as I see it. I just got done with a recurrent a couple weeks ago and there is definitely an inprovement over the previous two times I went. There's been an influx of T-1 guys/gals who REALLY know the systems and the aircraft inside out. I think they raise the bar for the entire BE40 instructor fleet.

 

[450]

agreed