"flight deck" or "cockpit" (over PA)

[SkyWestCRJPilot]

Avbug and MetroSheriff, y'all can call me folks anytime.

 

[Timebuilder]

If you want to tell me why the RAPE/cockpit, etc. thing is the "liberals" fault, start a new thread...preferably on YGBSM.

Just followin' yer lead there, bud....

 

[Typhoon1244]

Just followin' yer lead there, bud....

Originally posted by...well we don't know because whoever is was chickened out and deleted it. But Q200_FO caught it
Some female or liberal somewhere got all bent out of joint because the wx report said RAPE on it. If they got that upset, they obviously don't have a thick enough hide to fly airplanes.

Now, who's lead are you following?

 

[Timebuilder]

I'm following this one:

You'll find it's often easier to blame one isolated group than to analyze a complex issue.

(It worked for the Nazis...)

You see, I think that the PC movement, and you can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, is a do-good attempt to control speech that people think should not be spoken, for a whole host of reasons that they think should be adhered to. I further believe that most of the people in this camp are my old liberal friends. The Congressional Black Caucus is a group of folks who sincerely want to do right, but they are the ones who place their constituents in the "victim" framework. I see the PC movement in the same constricting, blaming, self-defeating way. They are part of a group that in reality should be called the speech Nazis.

Now I don't know for certain why the descriptors were changed, but I have a suspicion that someone of the PC persuasion complained that a certain combination of weather on a report could spell (gasp!) a word, a word that people find offensive. That is, unless they are using the word themselves. Then, it's okay, because they and ONLY they should determine when its use is permissable.

I might, upon seing the report, think to myself that RA and PE might constitute an assualt on my aircraft, and think nothing more about it. I feel sorry for those who can't accept that it's just a weather report.

I guess it's just one of those things that depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Well, I wasn't really talking about P.C. language. Frankly, I do think that more of the blame lies with "the liberals" there, although "the conservatives" have brought us a lot of P.C. language, too..."friendly fire," "energetic disassembly," "servicing the target," etc. The worst example of this was the war in Afghanistan. As much as I can't stand W., I was proud of him and his people for choosing the name "Infinite Justice" for our operations against terrorism. But, as we all know, todays White House has no balls whatsoever, so they backed away from "Infinite Justice" and changed it to "Operation Fluffy Good Vibes," or whatever. Pitiful.

My objection, Timebuilder, is to those who blame every problem on one side or the other. "The economy's in the hole because of the conservatives." "The country's values are going to pot because of the liberals."

Nothing's that simple.

 

[Timebuilder]

I think the examples of conservative speak that you just cited are more the province of military speak. There are a great many democrats on the armed services comittee, so I don't think you can firmly attach that aspect to conservatives.

"The economy's in the hole because of the conservatives." "The country's values are going to pot because of the liberals."

Actually, the country's economy is coming out of the hole because of the faith the markets have in Bush and his team, along with a dozen other factors that have nothing to do with which party holds the White House.

As far as values going to pot, there is a much better argument to be made for that, since liberals, and I firmly recall this, tend to reject traditional values of family and country. A large part of the blame falls squarely on Johnson in the programs of the "Great Society" and the "War on Poverty". Dismal failures that promoted reliance on the government and the destruction of the family.

And no, it is not "simple", but the signs are clear.

Particularly to one who lived through those days.

 

[Typhoon1244]

So basically, the reason everything's good is that there are conservatives in Washington. And the reason everything's bad is that there are liberals in Washington.

B.S., T.B. The reason things are screwed up is that there are politicians in Washington.

But if it makes you feel better to blame everything from national values to sagging breasts on "the liberals" (whoever they are), then go for it.

I'm still gonna say "flight deck."

 

[Typhoon1244]

P.S. It was amazing when, a couple weeks ago, I realized where my political views really place me. I had no idea how silly liberals and conservatives sound!

 

[TonyC]

You see, I think that the PC movement, and you can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, is a do-good attempt to control speech

I disagree. I think it's an attempt (which has nothing to do with "do-good") to control thought.

 

[Timebuilder]

So basically, the reason everything's good is that there are conservatives in Washington. And the reason everything's bad is that there are liberals in Washington.

No.

Things are good and bad because of people who are not in Washington. People who are good, who pay attention, who understand what is at stake, the erosion of the constitution and the turn toward socialism and its destructive power, who get up and do the right thing every day, and the other people who are seeking more and better entitlements, special rights and hiring programs that set aside benefits for them that others do not have, who scoff at the values that America was built upon: life, marriage, work, family, good choices.

Politicians only make use of the values, strengths and weaknesses that we have as people, and are sounding boards for those variables. If you think that Europe is a good model for a society, you will no doubt just LOVE Howard Dean. If you think that America is the best idea on the block, and that we must ACT to defend America on many fronts, than you are probably a Bush man. Our politicians are reflection of the mix of people we are, our best and our worst. That's why we must be vigilant. Our country, and our freedoms are at stake.

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

But if it makes you feel better to blame everything from national values to sagging breasts on "the liberals" (whoever they are), then go for it.

I know that when I was a liberal, I was partly responsible for the trend away from traditional values. Sagging breasts? I don't know. I do know that when we seek our values at the altar of the entertainment industry and the left, we are going down the wrong road. We have lived long enough since the 50's to see the evidence.

You are right Tony. Control of thought starts with control of speech, and we are at risk.