Flexjet #s

[Cautious Belly]

By my math, the average raise (effective May 1) was 15.11%. The highest raises were Learjet Captains from year 4-6, at about 21%.

On average, the new 15 day line (195 days) pays $2721 better than the old 17 day line (221 days).

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[CL300Pilot]

While I for one like our raises, and am happy at Flexjet, I fail to remember where on the hand outs there is any mention of a "new 15 day line". The pay is based on 202 days and 214.5 days, and this is from the hand outs.

Where is this 15 day line coming from and how is PBS going to support it? Also, is this better pay just for year 4 to 5 Learjet Captains or across the board?

By my math, the average raise (effective May 1) was 15.11%. The highest raises were Learjet Captains from year 4-6, at about 21%.

On average, the new 15 day line (195 days) pays $2721 better than the old 17 day line (221 days).

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Cautious Belly]

Where is this 15 day line coming from and how is PBS going to support it?

I assume if you have the authority to hold it, you can work 15/month. Of course, that remains to be seen.

Also, is this better pay just for year 4 to 5 Learjet Captains or across the board?

Across the board, though the year 4-6 captains did the best. The average is a 15.11% raise,

CAVEAT: That figure includes such mythical beasts as a Year 1 Captain. (I doubt there have been any of those since the 90's. Also, for those unfamiliar, Captains at Flexjet transition to the Captain payscale at years of service minus one.) Lear Captains got about a 21% raise, and Challenger Captains got in the 11-12% range. New hire pay is up about 16%, other FOs are up 12%.

Ok, here's some creative math. I added up the FO pay scale year 1-6, the LJ Captain payscale, year 4-8, and the Challenger Captain pay scale, years 7-12, and found that the yearly pay for an average of 16 (208/yr.) days per month is $6200 more than the old scale 221 day line. For a 6 year LJ Captain, the difference is just shy of $14K. For new hires, $4300. For CL Skippers, the difference ranges from $6200-$8000.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

From all the NetJets pilots to all the Flex Jet pilot

YOUR WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

enjoy the raise

 

[Necromonger]

Please pass the Kool-aide

I must have stumbled into the Flex Cheerleading thread. What are you smokin' Yellow Belly? (I need some) Or maybe it's just that company Kool-aide!

"I assume if you have the authority to hold it, you can work 15/month"

Yeah...What ever dude. Even if your senior enough to hold it...You WON'T with the PBS still around.

-QOL issues... still not addressed.
-Holiday pay?.... Nope
-In rest calls... Oh, just don't answer (don't go there)
-etc.

Do some more math. (You seem to enjoy it) Yes, I see your pretty little percentages. The Bar has been set much higher (thanx to NJA). Take your 214.5, 202, 208, or whatever. We are still working more than 184 days a year. Why should I be satisfied working 214.5 days a year (reality = 221 days a year)?

Dig a little deeper before you start spoutin' off this 15 day line crap. If you're gettin' it, you're one of 3 or 4.

Bottom Line: What your sayin' is that a day worked at Flex is worth less than a day worked at NJA or CS. Well, if your happy with that, Good for you! The rest of us will keep the demanding what we are truly worth as a pilot group!!

BTW, Did you get some good money for that TAG you sold on E-Bay?

 

[Necromonger]

From all the NetJets pilots to all the Flex Jet pilot

YOUR WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

enjoy the raise

Thanx!
At least it got the ball rollin'

 

[CL300Pilot]

I believe a lot of pilots from the other 3 fractionals have thanked the NJA guys for their fight and subsequent changes in the fracitonal industry. If you doubt it, do a search.

From all the NetJets pilots to all the Flex Jet pilot

YOUR WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

enjoy the raise

 

[CL300Pilot]

I hope DG and RH read this and realize what the state of the work force is.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

CL300Pilot -- why did you edit it was a GREAT post -- very on the point.

Based on the new payscales presented at the meeting, if I work 184 days (now industry standard) at the NEW rate, I will get a whopping $16 more per paycheck -- not even enough to take my kids out for ice cream.

Now if I could actually work just 184, I wouldn't be b*tching. 90% of the guys on BB said flat out give us less days for lateral pay FIRST, help us with QOL and then we'll worry about the rest. They did NOT listen.

I just want to know how much extra Belly is getting for the cheerleading -- maybe a standards capt getting his pudding 3 months before the rest? -- might explain his break with reality. Be careful Belly, in some places they'll lock your a$$ away in the looney bin for being that out of touch.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

I forgot -- Grow some and sign your card.

 

[Cautious Belly]

Necro, what's your problem, man? I just posted numbers. Not cheerleading. If you have a problem with my math, then please correct me. What's your problem?

(P.S. it's not your fault. Your dad just didn't know how to show affection.)

 

[CL300Pilot]

I felt I was ranting. If I could remember everything I said, I would repost it. Maybe it will come to me and I will

CL300Pilot -- why did you edit it was a GREAT post -- very on the point.

 

[Necromonger]

Necro, what's your problem, man? I just posted numbers. Not cheerleading. If you have a problem with my math, then please correct me. What's your problem?

Your math is fine Mr. Belly.

My Problem?

Here it is: (I’ll try and keep it short)
When you begin a thread posting percentages of raises, you sound like management. This is the way it was presented at the meeting. They were actually trying to tell us that we would be making more than NJA. NOT!

Big issues QOL (etc.) are not addressed when you just put these numbers out here. To the uninformed, these percentages look great, but PAY is not the only issue. (You will find this out some day).
So put your abacus away, and help us improve the QOL at Flex.

(P.S. it's not your fault. Your dad just didn't know how to show affection.)

Maybe you're right. Can I have a hug? (you can hug my Johnson)

 

[Cautious Belly]

Your math is fine Mr. Belly.

Here it is: (I’ll try and keep it short)
When you begin a thread posting percentages of raises, you sound like management.

That's it? I sound like management? Grow up, dude. I'm just posting numbers. I'm not saying it's more or less than we deserve. They're numbers. If you have a problem with numbers, then just grow the F*** up.

You sound like some kind of idiotic propoganda minister of some pathetic banana republic. Impotence is a treatable condition and there is nothing for you to be ashamed of. See your doctor and seek counseling for your juvenile rage. I think it would really help you function in society.

 

[Necromonger]

Lmao

That's it? I sound like management? Grow up, dude. I'm just posting numbers. I'm not saying it's more or less than we deserve. They're numbers. If you have a problem with numbers, then just grow the F*** up.

You sound like some kind of idiotic propoganda minister of some pathetic banana republic. Impotence is a treatable condition and there is nothing for you to be ashamed of. See your doctor and seek counseling for your juvenile rage. I think it would really help you function in society.

Wow! Do you always go on such a rant when someone questions your position? The only rage I see on this thread is coming from you. (They sell medication, which may help you)

I do like your line: “idiotic propoganda minister of some pathetic banana republic.” Did you come up with that on your own? Thanks. You did made me laugh. :laugh:

Keep posting your numbers. We’ll sort out your veiled intentions.

BTW. It’s propAganda.

 

[Hawkered]

Resistance to change on the part of Flexjet management will lead to nothing more but complete turmoil!

This is not French Canada dictating the terms of the American rights of self-determination and fair representation!!

The union is coming!

 

[Peter_Griffin]

I was quite enjoying the exchange between Cautious Belly and Necromonger -- why'd ya'll stop?

I was looking forward to a few more runs at belly's calculator -- maybe he finally figured out it's not really a raise if we only work the industry standard of 184?

What you got my friend was some pretty decent OVERTIME compensation. It is what it is boys and nothing more.

Hey Necro, I hear Mr. Brightside's wife will hug your johnson -- she's been missing one since her husband lost his somewhere at the waterview...

 

[Necromonger]

Yeah, "Monkey Boy" Belly is still changing the batteries in his calculator.

I'll take that hug too. Mrs. Brightside

 

[Hawkered]

and his wife is changin' her batteries too!

 

[Necromonger]

NICE!!!!!:smash: