FlexJet... Livin' the Dream

[gunfyter]

Exactly the point Reality.

If I wanted to build a website called CorruptManagementFacts.com ... I could blow away any attack site on unions.

I am a churchgoer but I am sure I could build a CorruptPriestsandPastors.com website. PedifileTeachers.com site etc..

I still go to church, send my kids to school, and I still go to work and pay my union dues.

When it comes to IBT1108.... Those are the Best dollars I spend aside from what I tithe to the church.

The anti-union website reveals more about the slimyness of the Union Busters than anything else.

If you want to know why unions are needed, read Confessions of a Union Buster to see how low some managements will go to screw their employees.

 

[netjetwife]

Excellent posts by RealityMan and Gunfyter! A look at paychecks and QOL will tell you if a union is needed or not. For those lucky enough to have the first 2, I'd still recommend that you get it in writing. Those who aren't too fearful or selfish will choose to join with their peers and demand to be treated/compensated like the professionals they are. Just how bad does it have to get at Flex for the non-union crowd to see the light? Every day that y'all delay is money lost and opportunity wasted.

We're a democracy. Flex pilots, let your fellow pilots call for a vote.

The only fair way to judge 1108 is by their own track record--no one else's.

 

[Majik]

I'll add one more thought. 5 years ago I remember scores of FLOPs pilots that said they didn't need a union because management promised them "NetJets Pilot Pay Plus 15%" if they would not unionize. Score one more for management...

 

[netjetwife]

The road to a fair/good contract is often littered with broken promises, isn't it? The NJ pilots certainly saw their share. One hopes that other frac pilots could learn from the NJ experience and recognize the foot-dragging for what it is. As the NJ pilots and their families will tell the Flex pilots, nothing will change until they force the issue. Management certainly isn't interested; they prefer the lop-sided situation.

Nice to see you posting, Majik! I hope there has been some progress made in your own situation. I'm pulling for you.
L/NJW

 

[pers-headwall]

Netjetwife, you're babbling as usual. What makes you think it's so bad at Flex? Is it flawless? no. Can we improve? sure. Why do I need the corrupt Teamsters to represent me? If Flex were making Exxon/Mobile type profits and management was taking obscene bonuses then you might persuade me further. I don't see that. Nor do I see signs of "corruption". I know we aren't bleeding red ink, unlike some of our competitors. Try getting yourself out in the real world sometime and work for a living. I'm open to new ideas, but no one has convinced me of a need for IBT1108.

By the way, when you respond try not to use "cool-aid". That term is old and lame. Try something new and creative.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Why do I need the corrupt Teamsters to represent me?

The "corrupt Teamsters" wouldn't be representing you. Your own peers at Flex would be. Unless you're implying that your co-workers are also corrupt?

 

[Necromonger]

Cool-aide

Netjetwife, you're babbling as usual. What makes you think it's so bad at Flex? Is it flawless? no. Can we improve? sure. Why do I need the corrupt Teamsters to represent me? If Flex were making Exxon/Mobile type profits and management was taking obscene bonuses then you might persuade me further. I don't see that. Nor do I see signs of "corruption". I know we aren't bleeding red ink, unlike some of our competitors. Try getting yourself out in the real world sometime and work for a living. I'm open to new ideas, but no one has convinced me of a need for IBT1108.

By the way, when you respond try not to use "cool-aid". That term is old and lame. Try something new and creative.

You say NJW is babbling. It’s your opinion. But, try reading the “babble” before you respond to it. You make it sound as if her post compares Flex to Exxon/Mobile corp. Get real. I guess you did answer her question about how bad you think it needs to get before you’ll open your eyes.
Her posts come down to 3 key issues: Work Rules, QOL, and Fair Market Pay.

Management threw us a steak, hoping to pacify the masses. You must be happy with it. That’s fine. Just realize, the meat is getting cut away. Soon, we’ll be left with just a bone. And, we all know where they’re gonna stick that. If you don’t see it by now, you won’t.

No one has said we need a union because of corruption or huge bonuses for the higher ups. Management needs to be held to their word. They nickel and dime us. Then, waste huge amounts of money in other areas. (if you have to ask….)

You sound like you’re happy. I am too, for the most part. But, we do need some changes to make this a better place:

• Calling us 3-4 times on our last day off with changes to day one of a rotation.
• Early AM calls on day one with more changes.
• No true yearly guarantee in min. days worked for pay.
• 16hr. last day to get you home.
• Changes just happen, without any crew input.

The list goes on. Feel free to add to it.

And, no, the Teamsters will not represent us. We will come together, and represent ourselves. Hence,” LOCAL” IBT1108.

 

[ArtVandalay]

NECRO,

Pers-headwall is either:

A. New hire that just retired from the airlines after 30 years
B. Newly upgraded to Captain

I am completely convinced that Flexjet hires these burnout airline retirees just to keep the union out. I am so sick of these guys eating the jobs that the younger folks NEED. RETIRE ALREADY YOU WRINKLED OLD BURNOUTS. Why in gods name would you want to continue working after you just retired from the airlines? I just heard they hired a guy that was a 777 captain at american. Losers.

 

[B19 Flyer]

50 nonscheduled 135 carriers trying to cheat on 135 prospective rest regulations that a Teamster pilot forced the FAA to enforce.

and...

121 carriers lobbying against security recommendations of the Gore Commission that could have prevented 9/11.

If you are not obeying 135/91k prospective rest... you need a union....

These carriers are lobbying to MAINTAIN existing interpretations of existing rest rules that have been in existence for decades. Read the Federal Register entry and become informed. Nobody is cheating, there is far too much oversight of all carriers at the federal level. On demand carriers have always been able to consider late passenger arrival as "unforeseen" circumstances to extend a flight day. The unions want to change the prior interpretation to meet what they consider their own working rules.

http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/FAA-2005-23438.pdf


Changing these interpretations and bowing down to union pressure is what happened with Whitlow and it created chaos amongst scheduled 121 carriers.

By changing the existing interpretations and the way companies do business in the on-demand world today to the "prospective" look back as defined by Whitlow, will leave paying customers stranded and increase the cost to the carriers by needing to charter more or increase the amount of crews necessary to cover flights. Where does this "cost" get passed on to? The carriers and less payroll for the pilots because there are more pilots sharing the same pot because it takes more pilots to operate the fleet.
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Now, on the second uninformed comment, read this NPRM (Notice of Proposed Rulemaking) published in July of 2001 with an implementation date of November, 2001. Security Laws were already being implemented before 9-11 that may very well helped to prevent it fromm happening. Just didn't have it done in time.


http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/security/FAR_108.pdf

You gotta read the exact documents and interpret and understand this stuff clearly. There is no conspiricy to keep pilots from being successful or from having a good quality life.

Be careful what you ask for, and ask any Chief Pilot of Pilot manager once they are moved from the line to the inside if unions benefit the company as a whole. These are the folks that get to see both sides of the picture, and one must be fully informed before they can make a good qualified decision.

 

[BombJet45]

-- I am completely convinced that Flexjet hires these burnout airline retirees just to keep the union out. I am so sick of these guys eating the jobs that the younger folks NEED. RETIRE ALREADY YOU WRINKLED OLD BURNOUTS. Why in gods name would you want to continue working after you just retired from the airlines? I just heard they hired a guy that was a 777 captain at american. Losers. --

Art,

The old retired airline pilots at Netjets were one of the strongest proponents for the union. As far as them continuing to fly, that is their choice and right. You don't know everyone's situation so why don't you grow up, stop the ignorance, and quit the name calling.