Flexjet info...

[206amphib]

So i have been on the flexjet page and the airlinepilot central and such...but can someone give me the rundown on how the commuting situation is for flex? Upgrade times, aircraft assignment, sechedules, and so on....Thanks again!

206

 

[hammer2]

FLL, DFW, ONT & TEB are bases. Be there by midnight your first day. 2 to 3years upgrade. You are assigned to whatever aircraft they need you in. They may be adding Denver or atlanta to this list.

 

[206amphib]

Is the employee completely responsible for getting themselves to one of those bases?

 

[hammer2]

Yes. They pefer you to live 90 minutes from one of these bases.

 

[TickTockJetter]

Commuting is OK if you live closed to your base, for the exception of ONT,FLL or TEB. In other words if you are DFW based then you are doing much better than those crewmembers that don't chose DFW as their base. You do the math at FlexJet they have a rule that says you can be used for duty up to 14 hrs and go beyond 14 all the way to 16 hrs if both of the crewmembers agree. It is possible to go beyond 14 hrs. if there is an owner delay, weather ect. and the trips were origially scheduled under 14 hrs.( 13:59 ). You must take the trip. Luckily that does not happen all the time but when it does it really sucks. When do these rules apply? When you start duty after 4:01 am Dallas time 5:01 wheels up. If you have to duty on at 4:00 am then you are limited to 10 hrs of duty I don't remember if you can go beyond 10 hrs for weather delays, owners late etc. Anyhow, lets say that you are east coast based(FLL,TEB) on day one of six and the night before you were told that you had to be at Signature PBI at 5:01 am for a 6:01 am wheels up ( 4:01 am Dallas Time) they can schedule you for 13:59 hrs of duty still a lond day but you had 1 more hour of sleep than the DFW based crew 3 hours more sleep than the ONT based crew. If this trip is applied to a west coast based crew then he or she will begin their duty at 2:01 am local and that crew can be used up to 13:59 hrs of duty. This also does not happen often but when it does you really pay for it, they get their moneys worth. This would only happen if the aircraft is in ONT or some other airport within the ONT gateway that does not have curfew. Basically duty start time revolves around Dallas time??
Now you have worked you 6 days and are more than ready to go home for a few days, but wait on your last day chances are you will fly one and possibly two legs before you airline home(on occasion you get to fly the aircraft to one of the bases FLL,TEB,DFW or ONT in which case you will likely have three legs that day depending were you are based and no airline). Today you will airline home and you are in SFO remember you are east coast based, you will airline back cross country to FLL on a flight that always leaves after 12:00 pm pacific time, why I so late because in this case travel duty can go up to 16 hrs and you have no say in it. That happens often especially to crews that are not based in DFW. The objetive here is for the company to have you at their disposal should something come up. They will do their part to make sure you push 16 hours of travel duty and get you home before midnight at your base. If you arrive after midnight they pay you and over time day they try to avoid that. If you are west coast based you will almost certainly push 16 hrs travel duty and it is almost impossible for you to get back after midnight west coast time. They really get their moneys worth with those crews.
What it boils down to is this for starting you work everything is Dallas Based Time for travel it is the time were you are based you do the math.

 

[Sevenout]

Commuting is OK if you live closed to your base, for the exception of ONT,FLL or TEB. In other words if you are DFW based then you are doing much better than those crewmembers that don't chose DFW as their base. You do the math at FlexJet they have a rule that says you can be used for duty up to 14 hrs and go beyond 14 all the way to 16 hrs if both of the crewmembers agree. It is possible to go beyond 14 hrs. if there is an owner delay, weather ect. and the trips were origially scheduled under 14 hrs.( 13:59 ). You must take the trip. Luckily that does not happen all the time but when it does it really sucks. When do these rules apply? When you start duty after 4:01 am Dallas time 5:01 wheels up. If you have to duty on at 4:00 am then you are limited to 10 hrs of duty I don't remember if you can go beyond 10 hrs for weather delays, owners late etc. Anyhow, lets say that you are east coast based(FLL,TEB) on day one of six and the night before you were told that you had to be at Signature PBI at 5:01 am for a 6:01 am wheels up ( 4:01 am Dallas Time) they can schedule you for 13:59 hrs of duty still a lond day but you had 1 more hour of sleep than the DFW based crew 3 hours more sleep than the ONT based crew. If this trip is applied to a west coast based crew then he or she will begin their duty at 2:01 am local and that crew can be used up to 13:59 hrs of duty. This also does not happen often but when it does you really pay for it, they get their moneys worth. This would only happen if the aircraft is in ONT or some other airport within the ONT gateway that does not have curfew. Basically duty start time revolves around Dallas time??
Now you have worked you 6 days and are more than ready to go home for a few days, but wait on your last day chances are you will fly one and possibly two legs before you airline home(on occasion you get to fly the aircraft to one of the bases FLL,TEB,DFW or ONT in which case you will likely have three legs that day depending were you are based and no airline). Today you will airline home and you are in SFO remember you are east coast based, you will airline back cross country to FLL on a flight that always leaves after 12:00 pm pacific time, why I so late because in this case travel duty can go up to 16 hrs and you have no say in it. That happens often especially to crews that are not based in DFW. The objetive here is for the company to have you at their disposal should something come up. They will do their part to make sure you push 16 hours of travel duty and get you home before midnight at your base. If you arrive after midnight they pay you and over time day they try to avoid that. If you are west coast based you will almost certainly push 16 hrs travel duty and it is almost impossible for you to get back after midnight west coast time. They really get their moneys worth with those crews.
What it boils down to is this for starting you work everything is Dallas Based Time for travel it is the time were you are based you do the math.

Okay, that was his first post, and this is mine.....its 3am and I was tired and ready for bed, thought I'd do a little reading here at FI, and now I'm sorry i did because that post completely and utterly confused me. Maybe I'm just too tired or too drunk, but there has to be an easier way to explain that.

 

[hammer2]

And he quoted that directly from our F.O.M.

 

[macpilot]

Hi,

I only have 2,200 hrs, but a good bit of lear jet time, and considering Flexjet int the future. I used to work at simuflite, and alot of the learjet instructors there were from flex and were very bitter about the company. Is this still the case with most of the pilots? Is it considerd to be a company you could spend your entire career with?

 

[johnsonrod]

Hi,

I only have 2,200 hrs, but a good bit of lear jet time, and considering Flexjet int the future. I used to work at simuflite, and alot of the learjet instructors there were from flex and were very bitter about the company. Is this still the case with most of the pilots? Is it considerd to be a company you could spend your entire career with?

Flexjet would be a lot more attractive to many pilots if it had a union (and the protections afforded unionized pilots) and NJA's contract and schedule. I love the Flexjet fleet - you can't beat that CL300!!!!!!! I just wish it had NJA's contract and schedule - but that's just me.

 

[gunfyter]

It is not possible to go more than 14 hours for any delay that is caused before you cross the hold short line for T/O on 135 or 91K flights....