Flex FYI!

[netjetwife]

Wrong, Fozzy!

That word was certainly not lost to me, but in recognition that there are varying degrees of fear, I chose different language.

Besides, I felt comfortable leaving it to discerning readers, such as yourself, to read between the lines.

I trust that the fair-minded will apply that label only where it fits.

 

[Pilot's Wife]

Netjetwife,
This may be a "newsflash" to you to realize that not all of us care if you are sincere in your intentions toward OUR company or not. What OUR lives are like and OUR interest in OUR company have NOTHING to do with you. You will notice I have been a member of this board much longer than you, so I have a long term perspective on these issues, especially concerning OUR company. When you first joined this board, I have to admit I was glad to see another wife supporting her husband and trying to stay active in the issues. But you need to remember that the one who speaks the most does not always get heard. I appreciate your interest in these issues, but I stopped reading your comments a long time ago, because they were everywhere.

Flexjet unionizing or not is irrelevant (somewhat) to me. Flexjet has taken good care of my family for a long time! If the pilots group at OUR company chooses to unionize, I would fully support it. After all - they are the ones that are actually working there - and they are the ones to best decide how to proceed.

 

[Pilot's Wife]

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[hammer2]

hisss hisss

 

[SCT]

Come on Pilotswife, NJW is going to save the whole aviation world with her socialistic views.....just ask her, she has all the answers! And she's not even in the industry or part of a flight crew. Wow, she must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Select last night to gain all the knowledge about aviation that is in her brain.....

SCT

 

[G4dude]

Wifeys

Every time MY wife reads a post by NJWife, her blood pressure goes up 30 points! We measured it, even! She especially enjoys the frequency of the word, "exploit" straight out of Das Kapital.

 

[HeyHomer]

WOW! nothing like a cat fight, shame we can't get some jello and bikinis. Flexo I totally understand what you are saying, Flex, DG, and handchuck don't have a clue. unfortunately neither do a lot of the rank and file. I left for several reasons but the fact that some just want to get an extra hunderd a day (which by the way after uncle sam and that fine new insurance program you have in place, takes a bite you get more through per diem) than QOL issues like days off to be with your family or enjoy hobbies, or just the simple fact of having some control over your life rather than letting the man (or Canadian) run it for you!! people (and I mean everyone, not just pilots and aviation people) wake up and take control of your destiny live life and quit your BITCHING!!! if you don't like it change it, be a part of A solution!! Flex Netjets United, NWA DAL FDX, UPS and anyone else you want to throw into the pot were not created to raise you, they are in the business to make MONEY!!! you CHOSE to go and work there, and if plans changed oh well, there is no reality only perception, so you can live in the clouds and wear rose colored glasses (pilotwife, sorry had to do it) or go out and grab what it is that you want!!
Have A Nice Day!!
I am
HH

 

[netjetwife]

Those who choose to exercise their right to organize and bargain ARE going after what they want! They are being resourceful and hard-working. What's not to admire about that? To the lady with the blood pressure problem I offer this advice--use the ignore feature. When people continue to complain about a problem, rather than solve it, you have to question their reasons. The same can be said of Flex pilots who haven't turned in their cards. This is your chance to play an active role in your career. If you squander it, I hope you'll have the good graces to keep your complaints to yourself in the future.

I'm not surprised that there are wives, whose husbands make professional wages, that feel no sympathy for those married to pilots that don't. That "got mine" attitude isn't held only by the pilots. I've had plenty of PMs from wives who see things as I do and know how difficult it is to watch your husband's skills being taken advantage of...better cover your eyes....exploited, in other words. I think that many of those who post here tend to forget that there are many more who just read the board. I know because I hear from them regularly and they don't share your opinions. Everyone knows...no matter what the fight is about...that it is easy to throw in the towel. Those who stand up and insist on a place at the table, where decisions are made that affect careers and families, are doing the right thing and deserve our respect and support. I will continue to let them know that they have mine. Those who aren't interested should put me on their ignore list.
NJW

 

[SCT]

NJW,

Serious, straight foward question for you: In a free market, capitalistic society, how are the skills of your husband being "exploited"?

As I understand it your husband has the option of working for or not working for any company.
On the other hand a company sets a wage they are willing to pay a worker to do a certian job based on the industry average wage and the companies own cost of providing a service or product. If a company can not attract quality people then the industry average wage goes higher. On the other hand, if there is a surplus of workers willing to do a certian job, then the wage stays low or stagnant.

Just because your husband is not happy with his current wage.....it does not mean he is being exploited.

 

[netjetwife]

My husband is currently happy with the contract that he helped bring about. Before that his skills were being exploited because of the misinformation he was given in his interview. The old broken promises routine that is all too familiar to frac pilots was a standard practice until new leadership among the pilot group stepped in to insist on pilots being given accurate information in the interviews. Arbitrarily changing company policies that affect wages after one has taken the job is another form of exploitation facing other frac pilots.

Pilots also have the option in our society of collectively bargaining with the company for the contract that meets their needs. They have the skills/product that the company/consumer wants and as such have a right to participate in setting the price. The frac industry average wage is now higher because the NJ pilots considered limiting the supply (by striking) of the product (their labor) they were producing. That was also their prerogative, an alternative most chose rather than the option of quitting and going to another company. It is not the one way street that you would have people believe. There are around 2,300 pilots and their families at NJ that have personal experience with the other direction things can go.

I happen to know (because of my front row seat) that there are numerous important areas of joint concern that 1108 and NJA are working on together for the good of all. Belonging to a union can be a very positive experience and working with one can, as well. It all depends on the people involved and the attitude they take. When both sides--labor and management--work to find common ground and solutions that are fair to all, everyone benefits.

Things have really turned around at NJ and I know that that is possible at the other fracs, too. I post to encourage other frac pilots/families to take an active role in improving their own situations and to support those that are in the process of doing so. Their companies fight them tooth and nail, instead of working for fair solutions. I view that as a form of exploitation. This is the definition that I use--The selfish or unfair using of someone or something for one's own advantage.

 

[SCT]

NutJetWife,

You could "spin" an anvil.

SCT

 

[ArtVandalay]

Pilots wife,

Like you said, I have no idea who your husband is; however, don't you find it interesting that I knew he was in the training center by his post?? It's because the people in the training center DO NOT live in reality and, can be spotted quicker than a virgin on prom night. They fly less than 100 hours a year and YES most are what I call "company bitches". They all hob-knob with the DO and chief pilots at lunch and eventually what you have is a company whore.

I don't know about anyone else on here but, if I found out my wife was a member of this board and posted on it often, I would be completely embarrased because she has nothing to do with aviation. It is so funny that you think posting on here "supports" your husband. All it proves is that outside of shopping, you have nothing else to do. To quote from a movie "you have all you can handle with your tea and your little spoon"...

 

[netjetwife]

SCT, I merely showed the readers the other side of the coin. I have no problem defending my position because I have "right" and "success" on my side. The NJ pilots exercised their right to negotiate and were successful in securing a fair contract.

Art, labor/management relationships wind up affecting the entire family. One doesn't have to be a pilot to have a position on the issues. It does help, however, to have a full understanding of the situation and know enough of the pilots to see things through their eyes. "Embarrassed" is never a word my husband has had to use when NJ pilots mention reading my posts.
Cordially,
NJW

 

[Necromonger]

Yes, I’m back. I know you missed me.

• We now airline with 4 and 5 hour layovers at airline hubs!!!
• We stay at (third rate) hotels that cost anywhere from 20 to 50% MORE that FBO rates!!!
• We get breakfast and lunch in paper bags that get wet from refrigeration!!!
• They doubled our insurance premium this year!!!

C U at the Top!

Hi, FlexO.

It’s good to see more of us out here bringing these issues to light. Keep it up.

Let’s take it one step further. We have a choice here. And, it doesn’t have to be the love it or leave it attitude that we have been hearing for years.

We have a choice to make. We can keep getting these half a$$ policies shoved down our throats OR we can have a say in all policy changes. That way, when management goes off half cocked with these hair brained schemes, we don’t have to bend over and enjoy the ride.

The way things are now (and how they’ve been) we have no choice. We must accept any and all policy change, and that’s it. Sure you, as an individual, can voice your opinion with this “Open Door” policy. But, that only brings on this speech: “Thank you for voicing your opinion. I’d be glad to write you a letter of recommendation, if you want to leave.” Yes, it happens. Just ask around.

There are many policies management has not thought through before just kicking it out there, and just seeing IF it works. Just remember the CLC days.

On top of the policies that are published, we are dealing with internal policies and philosophies that don’t make QOL any easier on the crews.
-Voice mails saying you must have a hard copy of APG.
-Then you just need a verbal from dispatch that the numbers work. (We know that they are trained in reading these things, but many times they are just too busy. So, we ask for the hard copy anyway.)
-The interoffice communication disseminating this info is for Sh!t. Either that or we have a few very lazy dispatchers.
-Direct flights out on day one maximizing duty and connections galore on the way home, saving $10 on an exhausted crewmember. (just callin’ ‘em like I see ‘em)
-Then, there’s the “Your mine till midnight” of your last day mentality being spewed by some schedulers. Yes, it is company policy, but she takes great pride in getting you home in that final hour.

Holy Crap! This turned into a rant.

We have a choice here. We can make this a better place.
The bar has been raised. Don’t be satisfied just buying more lube to take it up the A$$.
We need to have a say in the policy changes of the future.

Just send in your card.

 

[netjetwife]

I didn't think that was a "rant". To me it sounded like a good summary of the situation. The bar has indeed been raised and many NJ families are much better off today because they stood up for themselves. The choice seems clear to me. I know that the NJ pilots/families don't regret any of the choices they made since StrongUnion stepped up to lead the contract battle. There certainly is a better way than being at the whim of someone's bright idea.
Best of Luck!
NJW