Fist year pay at a Frac

[ATRCAPT]

Just curious what the first year $$ is at NJA?

 

[cosmotheassman]

We're glad you asked that question. It hasn't been brought up here before....

 

[S2R]

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/109/15/

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Is that sarcasm....?

We're glad you asked that question. It hasn't been brought up here before....

...so somebody asks a ligitmate question and you make a wise crack at him. I remember on a previous thread you got all touchy and rude over some semi-comical replies, I guess you can dish it out, but not take it. And you aren't even an "arrogant AA pilot."

Of course we should take you seriously and not waste your precious time with an avatar like "Cosmotheassman", you must be a serious guy. I guess your reply would be do a search, blah, blah, blah, ,etc.

My response: Entry level pay a fraction is about $35 give or take. Options and NJA have a few issues right now, Citation Shares is growing and may pay a little more thean the rest. Check out some of the previous threads.

Good Luck,

Jeff

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

"Nestle" thread, check out Cosmo's comments...

We're glad you asked that question. It hasn't been brought up here before....

How about it Cosmo, did you find a sense of humor or are you just being mean?

 

[cosmotheassman]

No, I have a sense of humor. And to prove it, I waited to see how long it would take you to put up another response in this thread about it. Less than 30 minutes and, there you are again, like diarrhea. You can't even keep your mouth shut long enough in your own responses.

You're obviously still bitter about being layed off from TWA. Take these things out on your wife, not us poor souls on the internet. If you need help finding a job just let me know...

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Man, is it getting hot in here, or is it just me?


Ease up, dude, no one should get a coronary sitting in front of a computer screen!

 

[netjetwife]

I don't mind telling you that my husband made about 28K his first year--an outrage! He has just finished his 26th month. Many of the NJ pilots were misled in their interviews and found themselves "stuck" with the 2 yr training contract. Some became very bitter, but most rolled up their sleeves and joined the fight.

PILOTS ARE PROFESSIONALS AND SHOULD BE PAID AS SUCH

A RISING TIDE SHOULD LIFT ALL BOATS

 

[tubelcane]

No offense Net jet wife, but do you have a life outside of this website? I just started cruising it recently and you are on here all the time.
Starting pay at Options is 2888 a month or something like that. Add your per diem and its around $35k.

 

[FCNelson]

No offense Net jet wife, but do you have a life outside of this website? I just started cruising it recently and you are on here all the time.
Starting pay at Options is 2888 a month or something like that. Add your per diem and its around $35k.

I do not consider perdiem part of the pilot paycheck, and nor should you. It is provided, by your company, to look after meal money, incidentals, etc, that occur on the road. If you want to presume that you're going to bank all your perdiem, thats one thing, but in reality, stuff adds up, and you'll find yourself spending a lot of that "perdiem" $. Bottom lines - first year NJ pay is a little on the low side, especially for the type of flying they do. Good luck to all the NJ folks as you slog thru contract negotiations.

FCN

 

[netjetwife]

FCNelson, thanks for the encouraging words and support. TC, it is no secret that I feel strongly about a situation that affects my family's quality of life. Nor am I alone in my belief that the family perspective needs to be voiced. Yes I have a life, but right now the NJ contract battle is a big part of it for my family, as well as others.

 

[psysicx]

NJ wife does your husband plan to leave Netjets?

 

[netjetwife]

Not unless he has to. He enjoys the job more than he did flying for AA--a career move that was cut short by 9-11. But he won't stay if he is not paid what he is worth. The lifestyle pilots are "forced" to lead is hard enough without being underpaid. When the wages don't justify the sacrifices made, those with other options move on. You hear it a lot....I could work ________(you fill in the blank) and be home every night. I don't think we're the only family that will base our decision on the outcome of the contract battle. My husband is very involved in the fight, and we are well aware that he is fighting for all of the families (and pilots), not just our own.

 

[XTW]

I don't mind telling you that my husband made about 28K his first year--an outrage!

Is this different than what the pay scale in the contract stated when he accepted the position? According to web-based sites, 1st year pay for a FO is $2260/mo. which equates to around $27,000+/year without any overtime.

 

[netjetwife]

No, it must have included a small amount of overtime. His personal rule was to do only 2 extended days a month (for extra money) which would equal the number of days the flex guys were doing. Something to keep in mind, just because a pilot volunteers for extended days, doesn't mean they always get them. You CANNOT base your pay expectations on that. Figure ONLY on making the 27K when you look at the wages, and realize that the upgrade wait can be very long. What you've seen here about that is true. Take a VERY good look before you leap! Better yet, if you can, wait until the new contract is in place so that you know EXACTLY what you're signing on for.
Best wishes,
Netjetwife

 

[XTW]

First of all, I'm not leaping, so there is no need to look too deeply. Secondly, I'm just trying to figure out how there can be so much outrage over a salary that was known before the job was accepted. Very simple.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Is this different than what the pay scale in the contract stated when he accepted the position? According to web-based sites, 1st year pay for a FO is $2260/mo. which equates to around $27,000+/year without any overtime.

Yes. Someone will remember the exact figures but around 40K was what was passed as what one could make year one. I believe this may have even been published somehow in print. Recruiting brochures were created advertising pilots with 3 yrs averaging in excess of $60K. I still have some. In reality 3rd yr pay is $47k for captains.

I have been told at least one pilot who left without fullfilling his 2 yr training contract produced the $40K promise when they went after him for the money. He then produced his first yr W-2. He was not pursued further.

 

[Grizz]

First of all, I'm not leaping, so there is no need to look too deeply. Secondly, I'm just trying to figure out how there can be so much outrage over a salary that was known before the job was accepted. Very simple.

XTW -

When I was interviewed and hired, I was told by company representatives that within 2-3 months everyone in my interview group would start receiving Captain's bypass pay because NetJets was hiring guys directly into the left seat of the Ultra. I was able to take a short lead time and report for indoc within 10 days of being offered the job. Unfortunately for a lot of folks, my indoc class was the last full class to receive that bypass pay. About half of the guys that I interviewed with failed to get bypass pay. (The pilots of NetJets put together a huge effort to right that particular wrong and last fall every pilot that had originally been promised bypass pay was awarded it through our combined efforts.)

It's one thing to look at a pay scale and see $27K. it's quite another to have NetJets company personnel stand up in front of 40 pilots being interviewed and tell them that within 2-3 months, they'll be bumped up to Captain's pay at $37K with the chance to earn $7-10K more than that based on working a couple of extra days per month. We were also told both by the Captains doing interviews and the other company personnel at the interview that the contract was nearly complete and that we could expect a fairly large raise probably by December with March being the very latest. That was in September of 2002.

I think most of us post 9/11 thought a job flying new equipment and starting at $40-45K the first year with a substantial raise shortly afterwards was not the worst thing to sign up for. Were some of us naive? Certainly. That's why I spend a fair chunk of time here making sure that guys coming to NetJets today truly understand what they are getting themselves into.