First Gun

[WrightAvia]

I like Glocks but I'm not sure about it being a good first gun since the only external safety is on the trigger.

Something we both can agree on. And yes the Ruger autos are reliable and priced well below most of the expensive Teutonic super guns. A freind of mine has a Makarov. I haven't shot it. If the gun is reliable...200 bucks is a value.

 

[WrightAvia]

Dash 8 mentioned General Electric guns

There are some in private hands...I have seen them shoot at the Knob Creek, KY semi annual machine gun shoot, night shoot. Pretty hairy to see.

Here is a want ad for the sale of a GE mini gun @ 300,000.00 smackers. Better bring your visa.

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/...esults_format=long&db_id=2540&query=retrieval

 

[Dash8]

friend of mine has a makarov, he's pretty happy with it, it's a simple no non-sense handgun (of course, gotta hand it to those commies for designing good/reliable firearms)
parts/accesories can be occasionally hard to come by, but 9mm ball ammo is pretty cheap i believe.

 

[Dash8]

if guns kill people

then

spoons made rosie o'donnel fat

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

Firearms refresher course

Hey Gunfyter: Way to go, let's kick ass and chew bubblegum!

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

If guns kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnel fat

Not to mention ugly!

 

[Jet_Dreamer]

my suggestion is to buy a used glock 19 (9mm). assuming you can find one. buy an aftermaket barrel and you are set. no one has mentioned magazine capacity. a glock 19 will hold 15 in the mag and one in the pipe. the guns sold today hold far less. 10 i think, please correct if wrong. i have had this gun for a while and it is by far one of the best guns ever made. the model 19 is glocks compact 9mm version. real easy to conceal. my $0.02

 

[46Driver]

Skip the pistol - nothing like the sound of a 12 gauge cycling (is that 00 Buckshot I hear.....) Remington 11-87 Super Magnum with the magazine extension to hold 10 rounds.

Gunfyter, Thanks for the quote - excellentttt.

 

[FMR_RGNL_PLT]

A Question for those who carry???

What type of holster do those of you who concealed-carry use?

 

[WrightAvia]

my suggestion is to buy a used glock 19 (9mm). assuming you can find one. buy an aftermaket barrel and you are set. no one has mentioned magazine capacity. a glock 19 will hold 15 in the mag and one in the pipe. the guns sold today hold far less. 10 i think, please correct if wrong. i have had this gun for a while and it is by far one of the best guns ever made. the model 19 is glocks compact 9mm version. real easy to conceal. my $0.02

You'd need 15 shots with a 9MM.

the guns sold today hold far less. 10 i think, please correct if wrong.

The guns sold today HOLD the same size magazines that were sold before the COMMUNIST CLINTON ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN of 1994. The magazine's capacity however, must be limited to 10 shots. The magazines that come with new guns made since the 1994 AW Ban have been limited by federal law to 10 shots. Not the guns. It is not "illegal" to possess "pre-ban" magazines in your "post-ban" gun.

There are two ways to get a HI CAPACITY magazine...one way is to buy a "PRE BAN" one on the internet, from a gun show or private individual. I just bought a NEW IN THE WRAPPER, made before the ban, HK magazine for my USP for 100.00 bucks. The other way is be a Law Enforcement Officer and get an "LEO" high capacity magazine. They are marked "FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY" and are priced about the same as regular magazines. If you are found in possession of an LEO marked magazine and aren't an LEO, you'll be jeopardy of going to federal prison and paying large fine.

But to sum it up...the handgun has not been changed in design, just the Assault Weapon ban has limited magazine size to 10 shots.

That bill will sunset in 2004, because the Republicans have said they have no plans to allow that bill to become permanant law. But watch your Democrats...they are foaming at the mouth about this and are planing to provide "new" legislation to attack gun owners.

 

[FMR_RGNL_PLT]

By that I mean shoulder v. hip v. hip/cross draw v. ankle, etc.

 

[Lance501]

I am a big 1911 fan myself. I like the punch of the .45ACP as well as the way it feels in my hand. Probably not a very good gun to plink with unless you reload yourself or know someone that will for you. Springfield makes their 1911-A1 in a 9mm if you want a little less kick. You can also pick up and .22 conversion kit that you can put on and shoot all day if you want. The Army did this back in the 40's to get the new GI's familiar with the gun on the indor ranges. Another favorite of mine is the S&W 5906 in the 9mm. Great gun, cheaper to shoot and less recoil.
I do a lot of my shopping and browsing on www.gunbroker.com they have a couple thousand guns on an Ebay type system. If you know what you want and are not in to big of hurry you can pick one up real cheap.
I would recomend shooting a couple of different calibers to find out what you really like.

 

[WrightAvia]

I am a big 1911 fan myself. I like the punch of the .45ACP as well as the way it feels in my hand. Probably not a very good gun to plink with unless you reload yourself or know someone that will for you.

You gotta quit buying that 22.00 bucks a box store bought stuff and look around on the net. There are places where you can get some really good deals on on government surplus ammo that is darned cheap to shoot. Check out this web site...even good recent made factory stuff is about 200 bucks for 1000 rounds of colt 45 ACP.

http://www.ammoman.com/webstore_45.htm

I think they even have the wolf .45ACP ammo at 160.00 per thousand rounds.

 

[mesaba2425]

I'd go with a MAC-10 or Tec-9

 

[WrightAvia]

I'd go with a MAC-10 or Tec-9

Full auto Tec-9 is not a gun you'd want to risk you life on. Go over to the www.subguns.com forum and tell em you want to use a Tec-9 full auto for a personal defense weapon.

I have purchased both the full sized uzi and mini uzi. Both are full automatic transferable machine guns. I can tell you right now, if you ever used something like that as a defense weapon and actually had to shoot someone with it, you are going to hate life. Shoot all burglars, rapists, muggers, or any body else that has it coming, with TITLE I firearms only. Not TITLE II firearms.

You do know the difference between TITLE I and TITLE II firearms, don't you?

 

[godsgift2aviatn]

All you guys that use your guns for personal protection, could you list the cities you live in? I'd like to avoid them, sounds like it could be dangerous there.

Always remember: Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

 

[46Driver]

Always remember: Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. [/B]

Obviously you don't have a bayonet stud....

Can you believe our luck - 37 posts and it hasn't been hijacked by Delta / Comair and the RJDC.......

 

[Vicman]

LovmyJob is right about the S&W 686..it's sweet pistol.

I'd pesonally go for the GLock 36 (.45) it's slim (won't snag on your clothing), compact, (as reliable and simple as any revovler but with the efficiency of a semi auto). It delivers as much knockdown power as your .357/.45 and fits in your backpocket and easy on the wallet

I carried the M-9 (beretta) and 9mm and .40 cal..not bad however!! there is a component in the barrel assy. that cracks (notorious) I found it on my service pistol. they have to many things hanging (I like em streamlined)..not for folks with small hands. heavy trigger pull!


regards!

 

[cl-65link]

If you want a single-action .45 ACP go for a Para-Ordnance. It's made by our friends in the great white north(Canada). The only problem with it though, is that it has a double-stack magazine, like a 9MM or .40. That can be a problem for people with small hands because the grip has a larger circumfrance than your typical .45 Colt. However, they are very well made and have almost match-grade accuracy right out of the box.

 

[CaptainBrazilia]

Here...

First gun, eh?

Leave the semi-autos alone. Honestly. Though these are excellent for defense in the hands of experienced/qualified/trained shooters, they still require a high degree of discipline to operate effectively. That's ESPECIALLY true when they malfunction.

I would suggest the same as Luvmyjob does...purchase a revolver. In fact, the 4" barrel S&W 686 would be the exact thing I would suggest as well. Simple. Darned-near fail-safe (aside from someone grabbing the cylinder). Oh, and quite elegant, as well! A great looking handgun!

I've trained a lot of people in the use of firearms for everything from hunter's safety to self defense to close-quarters-battle. I've seen a lot of people with varying degrees of experience come through the programs I used to teach. You'd be surprised at how often even some of the FINEST semi-automatic pistols malfunction in the hands of less-than-proficient shooters.

Whatever you decide, invest in training courses that provide you with the necessary knowledge and skill to use your new firearm safely and effectively for whatever purpose it was purchased. Once you've become very comfortable with your first weapon, then consider stepping up to a more complex option like a Glock (my personal fave), 1911-A1, or another semi-automatic.

Best of luck!