Find a new job you miserable S.O.Bs

[CrimsonEclipse]

what's a dur di-dur thread?

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Click on De de DEE under ring tones.

Also see, Carlos Mencia of Mind of Mencia (Comedy Central)

CE

 

[mpflies2]

If life is indeed so good for you, then why not just leave well enough alone and let them enjoy their griping? Just don't read the posts that bring you down. Save yourself some annoyance. Do you watch TV programs that you don't like? The tone of your post seems to suggest that your own happiness is a little suspect, else you wouldn't be suggesting they kill themselves with a .44! Enjoy your good fortune and try not to be upset by some people's childish whining and obvious sour grapes. You are right in what you said, but why let someone elses bummer ruin YOUR day? Personally, I find the griping somewhat revealing about how the people I share the skies with are thinking and that this info may be useful to me in some way. When I've had enough, I turn it off. It's probably more effective to address your complaints to the specific individuals concerned than to just throw your own gripes out to nobody in particular. There is alot of unhappy folks out there. Why let them bring YOU down? Enjoy your good fortune and try to share it by helping someone you think deserves it. If the whiners really bother you that much, maybe you should ask yourself why that is. Good luck!

Best,

I'd have to agree with g4800x. I have read so many threads where people open themselves up to just find a little help and get ripped to shreads. Like the whole PFT deal. I completly agree that undercutting someone sucks. However, until I got on these boards I never even thought of it that way so when people are just asking, don't assume they are trying to short change someone else. Maybe they just didn't know. I'm on this board to get help when needed and give help whenever I can. True I'm new to the board, but why the negativity. Life is good. Aviation is good. I love to fly and can't help wanting to go to a bigger plane. You all can't tell me that you got to the turbine jobs your at without trying to find the quickest way there when you were in our phase of training. I'm sure when i'm where you guys are I'll think similar to you, but I'm not gonna let myself forget that I once wanted to move faster to get the better job and better plane. I just love to fly but that love makes me itch to fly a newer better bigger plane. It's human nature and that of males in general. We like big toys. And before anyone cuts me down for saying this, yes I'm going through CFI right now and plan on building my hours both multi and single in this fasion. So give the younger or newer guys a break for crying out loud.

BTW i predict the mindset of the grouches on here are gonna automatically resent this message and give negative feedback. Would be way to much to be open minded and say, oh didn't think of it that way. vbmenu_register("postmenu_965143", true);

 

[pilotyip]

mpflies, with your attitude it sounds like you are going to make and you are pursuing flying the right reasons, namely you like to fly. Don;t let the negative vibes from the know it alls on this site get you down.

 

[mpflies2]

mpflies, with your attitude it sounds like you are going to make and you are pursuing flying the right reasons, namely you like to fly. Don;t let the negative vibes from the know it alls on this site get you down.

haha, i'm not down. But it might affect some other people on here more than me...thats why I'm just like give the other guys a chance to ask questions and not know some things. Just feel bad for some people who mean absolutly no harm.

Marc

 

[Gorilla]

The reason us grumpy old SOB's whine and moan is because we've been at it long enough to know what it USED to be like, and watching an elite, dignified, well-respected profession being utterly and completely destroyed is painful beyond words.

We want it to go back to what it was. Despite the gloom-'n-doom rhetoric, it CAN be done, and all pilots should strive for it. Don't accept unacceptable work conditions, or be happy with the status-quo.

 

[tuna pimp]

I read these post's and threads and I can not believe the number of flame throwing, pissed off, angry, burned out s.o.b.s out there. If you are so miserable and hate flying, why do you do it? Why not go to plan B,C or whatever in your life. I have to think many are trolls, and many are just miserable by choice but good god I don't knoy why you don't just inhale a 44 magnum slug and do us all a favor. You don't have to look far to find people with a REAL reason to hate thier life and job, if they are lucky enough to have one. So my question is,,,,, why do you continue in aviation?
Life is Good, All is Well, it is what you make it.

yeah, I had about 300 of those guys picketing outside of my office the other day.

 

[mcjohn]

mpflies2 makes a good point. I got ripped to shreads when I came here to find information on Gulfstream a few years ago. The first response I had to my question was "You want to go be a whore go right ahead, but remember whores get paid!" There were a few well thought out replies that eventually came along and swayed my belief on PFT but up until that point I thought everyone here was just trying to keep people out of avaition for some odd reason. The old "You do it the way I did it or you're a loser!" thing. Honestly I thought everyone was just a bunch of assholes. Then I started getting PMed from the nice folks and spoke to some on the phone about the issue.

We must be diplomatic when a newbie to the board comes here asking for advice.
Oh, and BTW g4800x, this is an anonomous online forum. Half the fun of posting is to debate, talk shi!t, and rant. So don't be such a p-ssy.

 

[g4800xp]

Mcjohn said,"We must be diplomatic when a newbie to the board comes here asking for advice.
Oh, and BTW g4800x, this is an anonomous online forum. Half the fun of posting is to debate, talk shi!t, and rant. So don't be such a p-ssy.

O.K. fine, great fun, the whiner's don't make me lose any sleep, you are the sort person I would hope to help, so enjoy the crabasses. I have a size 13 boot I would like to introduce you to, and my wifes legs have more time in the air than you do....... WOW do I fit in now.!!!!

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[g4800xp]

O.K. see I tried it, just doesn't seem right. Sorry, thats just not me.

 

[mpflies2]

The reason us grumpy old SOB's whine and moan is because we've been at it long enough to know what it USED to be like, and watching an elite, dignified, well-respected profession being utterly and completely destroyed is painful beyond words.

We want it to go back to what it was. Despite the gloom-'n-doom rhetoric, it CAN be done, and all pilots should strive for it. Don't accept unacceptable work conditions, or be happy with the status-quo.

I'll give you that, I can't say I know what it used to be like. If it was better before, then I'm all for trying to do what it takes to improve it, but it doesnt justify ripping the newbies to shreads because they didn't know. Theres nicer ways to go about things. Lets use some of my FOI learning for example. A student (newbie) is more willing to learn if it is a pleasant experience. If it's an unpleasant experience, you will scare that student (newbie) away. That would be the principle of effect. Maybe that is the goal though. Scare away the new people who risk ruining the old way instead of giving them a chance to learn and do it that way. That would be less competition for some of the older guys i guess. Either way, just saying things can be done nicely. With the occasional smack talk, but only in fun not to really cut somebody down.

 

[RadioClash]

Keep something in mind...

When I was in college I worked for AT&T Wireless in a call center in accounts receivable. Probably 90% of the calls that I received were from people that had not paid their bills and their wireless phone (this was back when we had car phones, mobile phones, and the lovely brick phone) was either turned off or getting close. They would whine and moan about the bill or that they mailed it etc..and we should not turn the phone off, nevermind that they are 60 days past due and owe us $900, back before unlimited airtime.

Well, after talking to people all day everyday that didn't pay their bills you began to think that NO ONE paid their bill who used AT&T. It was a small percentage of our customers that did not pay. I just happened to be in a department that took calls from the not so good customers therefore it was easy to form the opinion that all of our customers did not pay on time.

So what am I getting at? Most people that come to these boards and post are a small percentage of the pilot group. Not every pilot hates their job or the profession. I am under the impression that there are by far happier pilots than unhappy ones. I love what I do for a living. I have no regrets, yep I have complained here and there along the way but it has been a blast the whole way, from learning to fly, to instructing, to flying at a commuter, to where I am now. I wouldn't trade it for the world. Maybe to be a Major League Baseball player...

Funny story here, my call center covered the TX, OK, and AR market. At the time I believe FedEx had an accident with an aircraft in the northern part of the US. I think that it had departed ANC for BOS or something along the lines like that, well it crashed. Okay, this guy calls, lives in TX and we have shut his phone off, he owed us over $1000. So I tell him that he must take a payment to an AT&T store to have the phone turned on again. He tells me that he has already mailed the payment and to turn his phone on. So I tell him that we have not received it and he proceeds to tell me that it must have been on the FedEx plane that crashed. I had read the news on it already.

So I told him "sir, you live in Texas and the payments go to OKC so there is no way that payment could have been on a FedEx plane that took off out of Anchorage."

His reply was "Oh well, he!! then I will go make a payment at the store." And he quickly hung up.

Guess you had to be there.

 

[mpflies2]

When I was in college I worked for AT&T Wireless in a call center in accounts receivable. Probably 90% of the calls that I received were from people that had not paid their bills and their wireless phone (this was back when we had car phones, mobile phones, and the lovely brick phone) was either turned off or getting close. They would whine and moan about the bill or that they mailed it etc..and we should not turn the phone off, nevermind that they are 60 days past due and owe us $900, back before unlimited airtime.

Well, after talking to people all day everyday that didn't pay their bills you began to think that NO ONE paid their bill who used AT&T. It was a small percentage of our customers that did not pay. I just happened to be in a department that took calls from the not so good customers therefore it was easy to form the opinion that all of our customers did not pay on time.

So what am I getting at? Most people that come to these boards and post are a small percentage of the pilot group. Not every pilot hates their job or the proffession. I am under the impression that there are by far happier pilots than unhappy ones. I love what I do for a living. I have no regrets, yep I have complained here and there along the way but it has been a blast the whole way, from learning to fly, to instructing, to flying at a commuter, to where I am now. I wouldn't trade it for the world. Maybe to be a Major League Baseball player...

Funny story here, my call center covered the TX, OK, and AR market. At the time I believe FedEx had an accident with an aircraft in the northern part of the US. I think that it had departed ANC for BOS or something along the lines like that, well it crashed. Okay, this guy calls, lives in TX and we have shut his phone off, he owed us over $1000. So I tell him that he must take a payment to an AT&T store to have the phone turned on again. He tells me that he has already mailed the payment and to turn his phone on. So I tell him that we have not received it and he proceeds to tell me that it must have been on the FedEx plane that crashed. I had read the news on it already.

So I told him "sir, you live in Texas and the payments go to OKC so there is no way that payment could have been on a FedEx plane that took off out of Anchorage."

His reply was "Oh well, he!! then I will go make a payment at the store." And he quickly hung up.

Guess you had to be there.

I agree with this as well, I don't believe everyone or even a majority are old grumpy pilots. But those few that are always seem to tear the little guy down. Its like they have nothing better to do. They just wait till somebody opens themselves up by asking an innocent question then does it. Thanks to all of you on here who are helpful. Just wondering why those few feel the need to be the first to say something negative....like what mcjohn said about being a whore or whatever. Anyways, theres prolly nothing any of us can do about it.

Marc

 

[A Squared]

That's not what Linda Lovelace said?

Yeah, But she spelled it correctly.

 

[charter dog]

I'd have to agree with g4800x.

Me too, as I said in my original post. And I agree that questions asked should be answered with constructive comments insofar as it is possible, given the nature of the question. As to the ubiquitous bullies who seem to revel in any opportunity to verbally beat up on some impressionable kid, I'm afraid that's just the kind of behavior that is all too common when protected by the anonimity of a ficticious username. Personally, I prefer to address people on the forum in a manner as close as possible to the manner I would adopt in a face to face encounter. A majority of forum members appear to subscribe to a similar philosophy. Some don't. I merely point out that we are under no obligation to read any posts we don't care to. Better yet, try to find something useful, instructive or just entertaining in them if possible. If not, they can be ignored or even responded to directly.

Nobody with any real passion for aviation will be disuaded from achieving their goals by some negative talk from some frustrated individuals who feel like venting. If the realities of an aviation career never beat your enthusiasm down, good on ya! It may serve to inspire some old grumps to remember why they started out in this business, if only for a moment. In the meantime, remember the good times. That will help you later to find the good during some not so good times.

Best of success,

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I don't let them get me down, I just hate that someone struggling to climb the ladder see's all these angry posts, after a few years climbing, and bails out, we have all met them. Nothing sadder than someone who got close, but will spend the rest of their days wondering "what if". It just is not all bad out there

Get a job in the industry then you will understand, till then you are just steaming the window by peeping in.
PBR

 

[Uncle Sparky]

Well, the way I see it, there are two big factors that create the "we're all a bunch of whiney, @ssholes" perception.

First: One of the first things that I noticed when I logged onto my first few message boards, was the prevalent negativity and verbal abuse. It doesn't matter what board or chat room you go to, you're gonna be abused! I'd be willing to bet that Granny's Basket Weaving chat is loaded with flamethrower-toting, blue-haired nanny's! The phenomenon is akin to liquid courage. Anonymity of the internet gives people......cyber-courage?.?.

Second: From the first moment a pilot begins training, he his held to a standard of perfection and competition which exists in few other fields. It only makes sense! If "after a few years of climbing" an individual "bails out", good riddance! Sorry about your luck, but if you don't have the stomach for it, you're in the wrong profession. What is left over after "the bailouts", is a relatively small group of fiercely competitive individuals.

Combine the two and you have recipe for a good fight!

I have to admit, I've scrolled back through few of the more volatile threads that I've been involved in, and often times there came a point when I should've just quit while I was behind, to the point that the argument becomes, juvenile. It's the competitive, never say die, pilot in me that keeps me fighting!

I say that tough talk's worth DOODLEY SQUAT!

 

[g4800xp]

I agree Uncle Sparky, both your points make perfect sense. It is a burning desire to make the perfect flight, competition makes us all better.

PBR aimed this at me, "Get a job in the industry then you will understand, till then you are just steaming the window by peeping in.PBR"
I have been here a long, long time, one hell of a great career, not just steaming up the window.