File NASA?

[JonJohn82]

I departed, today, from a towered airport underlying Class B airspace (within the Mode C veil of course). My Mode C transponder would not turn on at all. Tower said to remain clear of Class B airspace, proceed on course, frequency change approved. Do I need to file an NASA form?

Thanks,
Jon

 

[qmaster3]

CYA



And it lit up before T/O right?


Yes inspector it did...

 

[minitour]

I agree with the CYA.

If you stayed clear of the Bravo, I don't think anything will come of it, but you might as well cover your backside just in case.

Unfortunately, Mode C really can't be "preflighted", but if you end up with a problem, just do what ya can and what the ATCers request/instruct...

I'm sure you'll be fine though, don't sweat...but do fill out the form.

-mini

 

[JonJohn82]

Thanks,

Where do I get the NASA form?

 

[MIJI]

Thanks,

Where do I get the NASA form?

I think from NASA.

But why would you submit one if tower didn't make a big deal of it?

He said remain clear of class B airspace, you did, nuff said. You aren't the first guy this year whose transponder didn't work.

 

[avbug]

No need to file, but knock yourself out if you want to.

There seems to be this mentality that the program is designed to protect you from yourself. It's not. It's a safety reporting program. Certainly some benifits have been included in the program, such as the waiving of a penalty after enforcement action has taken place (under certain circumstances, only)...but that's not the purpose of the program.

I find that most pilots don't understand the program, it's risks, or it's benifits.

 

[RideTheWind]

Thanks,

Where do I get the NASA form?

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/main_nf.htm

 

[flyifrvfr]

I fly in the Baltimore Washington ADIZ daily. More than 100 pilots has been violated because of a transponder problem while flying in the ADIZ. Unfortunatley, you the pilot can't tell if your transponder is working until ATC calls you and tells you about it. We have made this argument to the FAA and this argument continues to fail with suspensions and other certificate actions. Be thankful you are not here!

 

[Chocks]

Don't waste your time. You'll never hear another word about the incident.

 

[FN FAL]

Do I need to file a NASA form?

They say a martini is like a woman's breast: one ain't enough and three is too many.

 

[avbug]

FlyingIFRVFR,


You've cited enforcement actions in the past...when I've called you on it, you didn't provide it. You're saying that in hundreds of legitimate cases of transponder failures in flight, the FAA merely violates each offender on the basis of that alone?

I do fly out there...and will be there in a few days. Certainly news to me. Your friends must be experiencing the highest collective rate of transponder malfunctions in the world. Perhaps you're in the bermuda triangle of transponder returns. Or a giant black hole that sucks the replies away from ATC...or perhaps those pilots had something more going for them that netted them a violation.

Ya think?

 

[JAFI]

Avbug, maybe it is a typo, he ment 10 but held down the "0" key too long.

I wonder what kind of radio shops they have with so many bad transponders. Or if the transponders were checked in the required time.

I wonder if the pilots just did not use the "Oscar Novermber" mode of the transponder.

With more post 9-11 restricted airspace in the heavy traffic areas, I feel, there have been more airspace busts. I wonder if a navigation refresher (read FAA Check ride) would be in order.

The boys in Washington are pissed at the airspace violations and at some point the TSA and other security agencies will have had enough and the violations will be out of the FAA hands and more in the line of "hard labor" time.

Ya'all better be carefull out there.

JAFI

 

[flyifrvfr]

Avbug, I am just getting back to your post. You want proof that over a hundred pilots have been violated in the Baltimore/Washington ADIZ. You need to go to AOPA.org and do a search on the subject. You will quickly learn that this airspace is the most frequently violated airspace in the country. There is no black hole and every plane in the fleet of both flight schools have been told that the transponders were not working.

The avionics tech at our airport has never been busier. The common complaint, ATC says the transponder is not working. I know of three pilots personally who have been handed violations concerning the transponder. I won't give you names even though this seems what you are asking, but most people who fly here are just waiting for the transponder to fail and be violated. Now please be advised that the majority of violations were VFR pilots. If you fly here you would find it easier to fly IFR.

 

[Atccfi]

flyifr,


I fly out of the FRZ on a daily basis and have to tell you that I get sh$t from controllers all the time too!!! And I swear its the same two controllers.... all the time, recycle transponder, blah, blah, blah.....controllers switch, no problem any longer.... conspiracy theory!?!? Maybe, but I really think there's a couple of guys out there that literately think we are just screwing up their flow into the Bravo airport.... Flying IFR in and around here???? Much, sorry, read Extremely easier than flying VFR!!!!

 

[smellthejeta]

flyifr,


I fly out of the FRZ on a daily basis and have to tell you that I get sh$t from controllers all the time too!!! And I swear its the same two controllers.... all the time, recycle transponder, blah, blah, blah.....controllers switch, no problem any longer.... conspiracy theory!?!? Maybe, but I really think there's a couple of guys out there that literately think we are just screwing up their flow into the Bravo airport.... Flying IFR in and around here???? Much, sorry, read Extremely easier than flying VFR!!!!

When I used to work at a Class B airport within the FRZ, I had a pilot in a Meridian ask if I fly around here (answer: occasionally). Next question: Should I go VFR or IFR? Answer: If you have the capability to go IFR and you try VFR, you're nuts. Next question: What DP should I use? Come on. The dude is flying in some of the most complicated airspace in the country, and he's letting his certificate ride on the advice on a line guy.