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Freddie Spencer

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Thursday, Feb. 19, 2004
When pilots wanted to carry weapons after 9-11, government officials rushed to criticize the plan. Secretary of Transportation Norm Mineta repeatedly said that he wouldn’t support the initiative. One big concern was the question of how pilots would transport their weapons when they were off-duty. But in spite of apprehensions, the government finally relented in April, 2003 by instating the Federal Flight Deck Officer (FFDO) program, which allows trained pilots to carry guns while they are flying the plane. Off-duty pilots are required to put their weapons in lockboxes and store them in the cargo hold. But recent mishaps involving lockboxes have the pilots up in arms and pushing hard to amend the Transportation Security Administration’s policy.

According to pilot and government sources, an FFDO's lockbox with the gun inside has gone missing. This is the first time that a pilot’s gun has been reported as lost. The loaded gun inside its lockbox was removed from the cargo hold of a commercial jet in Las Vegas three weeks ago by an unauthorized person. The lockbox carrying the gun has yet to turn up. Normally, an FFDO gives the lockbox to authorized personnel who then place it into the cargo hold. The FFDO is the only one with the combination that can unlock the box carrying the weapon.

In this case, the FFDO, who had followed TSA regulations precisely, immediately informed the authorities, who were also unable to locate the gun. This situation, according to security professionals, was much worse than the cases of guns that have been discovered on passengers at screening checkpoints because the FFDO’s gun was already in the so called "secure" area of the airport.

Captain Duane Woerth, president of the Airline Pilots' Association, said the TSA should learn from the incident. "This is exactly what we warned TSA about when they came out with their rule on pilots having to carry their firearms in lockboxes. The lockbox was a bad idea from the start and TSA needs to get rid of it." A TSA official acknowledged that the incident was of concern to the agency and was under investigation. He also said the TSA had no immediate plans to overhaul its policy on how off-duty pilots transport their weapons.

But pilots say this is just the worst case in a litany of other lockbox mishaps. Some pilots have reportedly had to chase their lockboxes as they were being carted away by unknowing baggage handlers. One pilot said that on six separate occasions his lockbox was not where he had properly put it on an airplane. If the TSA isn't listening to pilot concerns, it may soon be answering to Congress. Several congressmen, according to sources from pilot groups, are preparing legislation that will force the TSA to amend the weapons carriage policy.
 
From the very first time I read our company's policy on how to comply with the FFDO program it was obvious that the folks who wrote the rules never sat and watched an aircraft pull up to the gate.

Let's see, a gun in a lock box in a non-descript bag is never supposed to go on a baggage cart or baggage belt.

Rrrriiiiiiiggght!!!!!!

If it's NON-DESCRIPT how the hell are the ramp guys supposed to know what's in it or where it's not supposed to go?

Garbage in, garbage out!
 
Essentially what we have here is the failure of the beauracratic knee-jerk nonsense that our Government seems to loves so much.

The TSA is laughing stock. They are overpaid, undertrained, underworked, and most of them about are as smart as a box of rocks. We would be better off shipping them all off to Gitmo with the Taliban. We could the billions that we are spending on the morons to pay assistance to the furloughed airline industry workers.

It boggles the mind. Hard working folks with productive aviation jobs are furloughed on the street and we are paying a bunch of fat-@assed trailer trash $45 Grand to stand around the airport and give us grief on our way in to work.

Our founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they could see what we have done to this country.

It's a shame, really.
 
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"The TSA is laughing stock. They are overpaid, undertrained, underworked, and most of them about are as smart as a box of rocks"

"It boggles the mind. Hard working folks with good jobs are on the street and we are paying a bunch of fat-@assed trailer trash to stand around the airport making $45 Grand and giving us grief on our way in to work."

metro... so very well said. You hit the nail on the head brother.
 
LearLove said:
"The TSA is laughing stock. They are overpaid, undertrained, underworked, and most of them about are as smart as a box of rocks"

"It boggles the mind. Hard working folks with good jobs are on the street and we are paying a bunch of fat-@assed trailer trash to stand around the airport making $45 Grand and giving us grief on our way in to work."

metro... so very well said. You hit the nail on the head brother.

I second that. Well said Metro. Pure poetry...
 
This is the first time a weapon has been reported missing? Bull S***! There have been several missing and a whole bunch that ended up on the bag carousel.

How long did they think it would take for the rampers to figure out the guy with an airline ID in civvies placing a small black bag in the belly was an FFDO?

I can't wait till a stolen FFDO weapon is used in the commission of a felony. Talk about ass covering...:rolleyes: TC
 
MetroSheriff said:
The TSA is laughing stock. They are overpaid, undertrained, underworked, and most of them about are as smart as a box of rocks.
If I were a rock, I would take that as an insult.
 
You guys are SO correct.
They have been getting bad press lately, and well deserved at that.
 
This is the first time a weapon has been reported missing? Bull S***! There have been several missing and a whole bunch that ended up on the bag carousel.

It's the first time one has gone missing and not turned up. Dozens a week get misplaced, but they are always found.

It's a stupid procedure but I guess it's better to have the "trusted" ramp employees have control of the FFDO's weapon than the FFDO himself.........:rolleyes:
 

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