FedEx Hiring Update

[Quiet Flight]

deleted. ask capt zman for the info or pm me.

 

[capt_zman]

My opinion, but I believe this is company proprietary and confidential. Please edit this and paraphrase, as I'm sure JL didn't want to see this on FI.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

My opinion, but I believe this is company proprietary and confidential. Please edit this and paraphrase, as I'm sure JL didn't want to see this on FI.

Who is JL? Is he the one who won't change the rule about hiring guys currently working at "Major" airlines even though they are making less than guys at companies who are eligilbe to interview/get hired at Fedex.?

Time for that rule to change. It's been ten years since furloughed airline guys quit Fedex to go back to their "major" when they got recalled if that sore spot is the reason for the company policy on this.

 

[zonker]

Purple Nuggets. Isn't that what you get when you misfield a ground ball in Little League?

 

[USMCFDX]

Purple Nuggets : What you get when the moose eat all the purple flowers out of your wifes flowerbed up here is Alaska.

 

[MsFan]

I guess the million dollar question is, after new hires have been selected for the MD-11 vs the 727, in what order are they pulled out of the pool? It is not by date of interview, so how are they rank ordering the guys who've been identified for ANC? Everybody will be heavy, glass, international experienced and current it sounds like. How do they differentiate between 4000 hours of A320 time vs 2000 hours of DC-10 time vs 3500 hours of 747 time?

There has to be some way they've chosen to prioritize the people they pull out sooner vs later. Could it be last 4 of SSN?

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Who is JL? Is he the one who won't change the rule about hiring guys currently working at "Major" airlines even though they are making less than guys at companies who are eligilbe to interview/get hired at Fedex.?

Time for that rule to change. It's been ten years since furloughed airline guys quit Fedex to go back to their "major" when they got recalled if that sore spot is the reason for the company policy on this.

You've got it right. JL's rule is no currently employed Major pilots. The reason being they all had their shot at pursuing FedEx even after they were hired by another carrier. They chose to pass on FedEx so FedEx is passing on them.

For a while the furloughed folks couldn't get interviews either. This policy is an improvement over the 2002-2004 policy.

Time for the policy to change because it's 10 years since FedEx was wronged??? Is there a statute of limitations I don't know about? JL is still around so no dice.

I don't think the rule is correct either......


And, no, I'm not going to say who JL is. Capt Zman might turn me in for an opsec/comsec violation.

 

[ATA For Now!]

Is anyone without a 4yr getting hired?

 

[MemTrash]

Who is JL? Is he the one who won't change the rule about hiring guys currently working at "Major" airlines even though they are making less than guys at companies who are eligilbe to interview/get hired at Fedex.?

Time for that rule to change. It's been ten years since furloughed airline guys quit Fedex to go back to their "major" when they got recalled if that sore spot is the reason for the company policy on this.

Oh you can get hired if you are at a major airline and military. I think it is JLs way of keeping civilian guys out. If you are in the military get orders cut so you are not currently flying at your "major airline" and while you are out you can get interviewed and hired at FedEx. You don't risk your current job and get in here at FedEx. It still cost the major a pilot but it's OK with JL. Me, I'd rather hire the current pilots then they wouldn't have recall rights.
All the majors hired guys away from FedEx so why does he care about current employment for potential new hires?

 

[iflyhigh]

I had the chance to talk to FEDEX recruiters recently. The are currently looking at furloughed major airline guys, and have recently hired some also.

You will need letters for recommendations, surrender your seniority number, and probably have to jump through an extra hoop or so, but you can get hired at FEDEX eventhough you are furloughed from a Major.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

My opinion, but I believe this is company proprietary and confidential. Please edit this and paraphrase, as I'm sure JL didn't want to see this on FI.

And since one of the FI members was kind enough to show him all the airline gouge sites while he was on the carpet, you can bet he was logged on to FI as soon as he hit the "send" button just to see how long it would take for the news to hit the FI streets.
Just curious if the FedEx interview has changed at all in the last year. Anyone?

 

[Gummo]

Subic

Anyone have insight into the comment about Subic, the final frontier? Is that a serious request for poolies/sponsors to self-nominate or just the musings of the Sensei? Always ready for a chance to go back and relive my boyhood, esp. when it means a shot at getting hired sooner.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

The reason being they all had their shot at pursuing FedEx even after they were hired by another carrier. They chose to pass on FedEx so FedEx is passing on them.

But furloughed guys did not pass on Fedex? Is it possible that Fedex passed on major airline guys? I was on 3rd year pay at DAL, pre 9-11 before I finally got a call from Fedex for an interview- had my stuff in there long before Delta. I could argue that Fedex passed on me and I finally went to Delta. Seriously, would JL or most anyone jump ship at that stage? Could happen, but unlikely.

Hope JL has enjoyed the pay that Fedex now enjoys largely because of his peers at major airlines and their collective bargaining over the years.

I know you and all the Fedex guys I know disagree with the "no major" policy, so I'm preaching to the choir. I know there is no "statute of limitations" on anything, I just think that he has made his point, time to move on and just hire best qualified who do well at the interview. Somehow this theory is o.k. with Southwest - plenty of people "passed" on them and are now getting hired there.

Complete with my 2 cents. Standing by for DAL bashing ;-) .......

 

[seefive]

The no current major hiring policy is JL's call. I'm sure he doesn't care about whether many of you like it or not. It's also not about hiring the most qualified. Most applicants are qualified and just because someone has more hours doesn't make them completitive as a pilot.

 

[Reddie]

"Best qualified" is a very subjective term. Could best qualified mean someone who will come in glad to be here, motivated with a positive attitude and less baggage? Not a slam at all to the furloughed guys here that I fly with. Most are positive and happy to be here, but I have run across a few with
"issues".

Thoughts?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

There are tons of people in HR and CP offices who surf this site.

True that. But, hey, let's not give any of them any extra help in finding these places.
Also, I'd be reeeeeal careful about how discreet we consider our other sites as well. The moles out there are quite crafty....and unfortunately, plentiful. I've seen it at the smallest of carriers where management took employees to task for things said on a "discreet" message board where passwords were given out by invitation only.

 

[Uppercrust]

Oh you can get hired if you are at a major airline and military. I think it is JLs way of keeping civilian guys out.[/QUOTE]

Yeah...??? What is your point?

 

[Benjamin Dover]

The no current major hiring policy is JL's call. I'm sure he doesn't care about whether many of you like it or not. It's also not about hiring the most qualified. Most applicants are qualified and just because someone has more hours doesn't make them completitive as a pilot.

I agree with all of your post. And I didn't say "most" qualified, I said "best" qualified. Pretty subjective, but basically who would be a good fit for your company. Kind of like hiring for the guard or reserve. Believe or not, it is possible that current major pilots might actually pass the snifff test to work there and be loyal, motivated members of your pilot group. And, no way to even start unless they resign - would this not show some motivation? No chance of bailing when recalled like furloughed major pilots in the 90's.

So, Fedex is the king now and is in the position to be choosey. But, is restricting a larger than you think segment of applicants "just because I said so" the best thing for the company? What if JL had something against the Air Force and decided to limit hiring to other services and civilian. Would the "it's JL's call" fly with this one?

No doubt he could care less, but don't you Purple guys think it's time for this to go? If the roles were magically reversed (pure fantasy I know) I know the message board would be screaming about how weak our pilot union was for allowing this policy to exist. But at Fedex, "it's JL's call" seems to be fine with everyone.

 

[Sleepyhead]

and what about pilots that got hired at a "major" but at the time they did not meet FEDEX mins. Now they do qualify,but they can't get an interview because they work at a "major". That is dumb.
In most other industries experince is something that recruiters look for.
If a recruiter at Sun was looking for a programmer and had the choice between a guy with 5 years experince at MicroSoft or a guy right out of college, who do you think he would choose? He is not going to say, well I'm not taking the guy from Microsoft because he had the chance to work for us 5 years ago but he went to MS instead.
This petty attitude is what has cuased our industry to go down hill.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Comparing hiring practices--Who is doing it right?

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=57224

 

[flyboyike]

Why is it such a big secret who JL is? Is there some forum rule about this? I would post the answer, but I don't want to get banned. Is it also against the rules to discuss who GD and JS are?

 

[HoursHore]

and what about pilots that got hired at a "major" but at the time they did not meet FEDEX mins. Now they do qualify,but they can't get an interview because they work at a "major". That is dumb.
In most other industries experince is something that recruiters look for.
If a recruiter at Sun was looking for a programmer and had the choice between a guy with 5 years experince at MicroSoft or a guy right out of college, who do you think he would choose? He is not going to say, well I'm not taking the guy from Microsoft because he had the chance to work for us 5 years ago but he went to MS instead.
This petty attitude is what has cuased our industry to go down hill.

You all are preaching to the choir, I'd say most FDX pilots disagree with the policy. But you'll be hardpressed to find one to choose this windmill to tilt at.

 

[capt_zman]

hh, did you get my email? you da bomb baby (can you tell I'm in oakland).

 

[Sluggo_63]

The reason being they all had their shot at pursuing FedEx even after they were hired by another carrier. They chose to pass on FedEx so FedEx is passing on them.

I don't think so. I think the "no major" policy has more to do with not screwing those carriers over who are already hurting by having their pilots leaving for percieved "greener pastures."



My $.02

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

FlyBoeingJets
The reason being they all had their shot at pursuing FedEx even after they were hired by another carrier. They chose to pass on FedEx so FedEx is passing on them.

I don't think so. I think the "no major" policy has more to do with not screwing those carriers over who are already hurting by having their pilots leaving for percieved "greener pastures."

My $.02

Then why is JL differentiating between Majors and SWA? I know FedEx has been interviewing and hiring more than a few SWA pilots.

Hiring folks from ailing carriers would help the furloughes get back to work sooner. I'm betting JL could care less what pax management thinks.

 

[HoursHore]

hh, did you get my email? you da bomb baby (can you tell I'm in oakland).

Yes Ill send you the confirmation #'s. Apparently you wanted night hub turns to PIA all month with no DH's

 

[Tanner]

I don't think so. I think the "no major" policy has more to do with not screwing those carriers over who are already hurting by having their pilots leaving for percieved "greener pastures."



My $.02

That's how it was put at my M&G. The word used was so called "Legacy Carriers". Being furloughed is on a "case by case" basis. There's always the exception to the rule.