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AA sells 727's to FedEx
AA sells DC10's to FedEx
AA sells MD11's to FedEx
Rumor has it that AA has 25 P&W powered 757's that don't seem to match all the other ones.
Rumor has it that some FedEx maint folks have been visiting Tulsa Tech to inquire into some A300's.
AA eliminates on fleet type and one sub fleet. FedEx get's 25 common cockpit 757's along with attitional A300's.
Things that make you go Hummmmmmmmm.
AA sells DC10's to FedEx
AA sells MD11's to FedEx
Rumor has it that AA has 25 P&W powered 757's that don't seem to match all the other ones.
Rumor has it that some FedEx maint folks have been visiting Tulsa Tech to inquire into some A300's.
AA eliminates on fleet type and one sub fleet. FedEx get's 25 common cockpit 757's along with attitional A300's.
Things that make you go Hummmmmmmmm.
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AlbieF15
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Fr8doggie,
If I shot your way with a shotgun blast when a popgun was warranted, I apologize. I've just heard a lot of "you guys just don't understand" directed at the bottom 15% of the crew force, from other guys, and maybe my response to you was aimed more at them and less at you.
I understand a 50 year old when hired ex-Eastern or ex-Braniif guy appreciates the panel job. I also know its a great deal for that military retiree who shows up at 43-45 on the property.
There are likely as many stories as there are over 60 guys out there....
I just wish all of us would use a slightly more constructive tone at times. Fox 3 was frustrated and venting...perhaps even out of bounds. Like a lot of us, he's imagining moving up and it just doesn't seem to be happening like it was 2 years ago-such is the curse of hiring sine waves. However, I think the point everyone is making is the retirement charts don't mean much right now at FDX if you are stuck on the panel, as quite a few folks come back and just end up bumping you down.
If the speculation on more A300s or 757s is right, it bodes well for young guys here, but not well for the over 60 crowd, poolies, or wannabes. However, I'll defer to Fr8, Profile, and guys who've been here a lot longer to speculate about what FDX is likewhen jets are added or removed from the fleet, as I have seen neither in my short time here.
If I shot your way with a shotgun blast when a popgun was warranted, I apologize. I've just heard a lot of "you guys just don't understand" directed at the bottom 15% of the crew force, from other guys, and maybe my response to you was aimed more at them and less at you.
I understand a 50 year old when hired ex-Eastern or ex-Braniif guy appreciates the panel job. I also know its a great deal for that military retiree who shows up at 43-45 on the property.
There are likely as many stories as there are over 60 guys out there....
I just wish all of us would use a slightly more constructive tone at times. Fox 3 was frustrated and venting...perhaps even out of bounds. Like a lot of us, he's imagining moving up and it just doesn't seem to be happening like it was 2 years ago-such is the curse of hiring sine waves. However, I think the point everyone is making is the retirement charts don't mean much right now at FDX if you are stuck on the panel, as quite a few folks come back and just end up bumping you down.
If the speculation on more A300s or 757s is right, it bodes well for young guys here, but not well for the over 60 crowd, poolies, or wannabes. However, I'll defer to Fr8, Profile, and guys who've been here a lot longer to speculate about what FDX is likewhen jets are added or removed from the fleet, as I have seen neither in my short time here.
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Goose17,
Well, I think that was tongue and cheek, but we do carry more passengers (along with DCI) than any other carrier in the world. Now, if we could turn that into major profits again, then I will be a lot happier. We also have the largest hub airport (ATL) and the most RJs (I guess that is good?)---and we also have a $1 billion debt payment due in 2005 (which may have just changed---I think they are going to pay half of that now and re-finance the rest for 2007-2008). I suppose you are trying to get on with Fedex? I wish you luck---it seems like a great carrier with a good mix of day and night flying. The ATR statement I made originated in the Flight INTL mag--and I thought it was interesting. If you think about it, the ATR72 might be able to carry close to the same amount of cargo as a 727-100 for short stage lengths. That right there is something the FEDEX management is probably looking at. But, G4G5 stated that AA might be selling Fedex a bunch of 757's (the best plane ever made in my opinion--easy to fly) and A300's--which would be good for you. Good luck.
Bye Bye---General Lee
Well, I think that was tongue and cheek, but we do carry more passengers (along with DCI) than any other carrier in the world. Now, if we could turn that into major profits again, then I will be a lot happier. We also have the largest hub airport (ATL) and the most RJs (I guess that is good?)---and we also have a $1 billion debt payment due in 2005 (which may have just changed---I think they are going to pay half of that now and re-finance the rest for 2007-2008). I suppose you are trying to get on with Fedex? I wish you luck---it seems like a great carrier with a good mix of day and night flying. The ATR statement I made originated in the Flight INTL mag--and I thought it was interesting. If you think about it, the ATR72 might be able to carry close to the same amount of cargo as a 727-100 for short stage lengths. That right there is something the FEDEX management is probably looking at. But, G4G5 stated that AA might be selling Fedex a bunch of 757's (the best plane ever made in my opinion--easy to fly) and A300's--which would be good for you. Good luck.
Bye Bye---General Lee
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Goose17,
Well sorry. I didn't know you were there---good for you. It is hard to understand your sarcastic tone sometimes. When it comes to "Majors" for Cargo, I am sure we would both agree that Fedex is there already. Count yourself lucky for being at an airline (Cargo) that is relatively secure. I was just wondering what you thought about the ATR issue. I just brought this up because of the article and I thought it could be a potential threat to your pilots. I know that the ATR42's are going to your feeders, but if Fedex decides that ATR72's should go to them also, and slowly retires your 727 fleet---that could spell trouble. But, as I have already mentioned---if you received some AA 757s or some used 737-300's, that could help out your pilot growth.
Bye Bye--General Lee
Well sorry. I didn't know you were there---good for you. It is hard to understand your sarcastic tone sometimes. When it comes to "Majors" for Cargo, I am sure we would both agree that Fedex is there already. Count yourself lucky for being at an airline (Cargo) that is relatively secure. I was just wondering what you thought about the ATR issue. I just brought this up because of the article and I thought it could be a potential threat to your pilots. I know that the ATR42's are going to your feeders, but if Fedex decides that ATR72's should go to them also, and slowly retires your 727 fleet---that could spell trouble. But, as I have already mentioned---if you received some AA 757s or some used 737-300's, that could help out your pilot growth.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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who knows?
I haven't a clue on the ATR issue. We hear all the rumors, but I believe nothing until it is on the ramp. The 727s are old, noisy and inefficient, but they work and were cheap. We will need a replacement before too long, but what or when, no one really knows. As for my sarcasm, let me just say that I feel honored that you recognize Fed Ex as a Major (cargo).
Goose17
I haven't a clue on the ATR issue. We hear all the rumors, but I believe nothing until it is on the ramp. The 727s are old, noisy and inefficient, but they work and were cheap. We will need a replacement before too long, but what or when, no one really knows. As for my sarcasm, let me just say that I feel honored that you recognize Fed Ex as a Major (cargo).
Goose17
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I'd like to fly a sexy 757 as much as anyone, but we have about 300 DC10 FOs and about 370 727 FOs right now. If we could "snap" our fingers and replace all our 3-hole planes overnight (guess we'd have to FEDEX 'em to ourselves! ), it seems to my untrained eye we'd then have 670 or so extra pilots on the property if we could instantaneously upgrade guys from the 10 to the A300 and the 727 to the 757.
Now...no training program moves that fast, and we'd likely lose 100 or so over 60 guys to retirement....but again...it seems like we'd have extra pilots. The MD11 needs more guys...but how many? I think we could absorb those guys without furloughs, but it certainly doesn't bode well for future hiring UNLESS we get some more growth. The domestic market seems mature, but Asia is a promising area. Time will tell I guess.......
Have any of your been around the block types (UAL 78?) been around a large AC conversion from 3 hole to 2 hole AC? What happened at your company when you changed?
For what its worth...no secret I want to upgrade to an FO job ASAP, but I hope the 727 stays around a few more years. Its cheap, paid for, does the job well, and employs a lot of us who might otherwise be on the street.
), it seems to my untrained eye we'd then have 670 or so extra pilots on the property if we could instantaneously upgrade guys from the 10 to the A300 and the 727 to the 757.Now...no training program moves that fast, and we'd likely lose 100 or so over 60 guys to retirement....but again...it seems like we'd have extra pilots. The MD11 needs more guys...but how many? I think we could absorb those guys without furloughs, but it certainly doesn't bode well for future hiring UNLESS we get some more growth. The domestic market seems mature, but Asia is a promising area. Time will tell I guess.......
Have any of your been around the block types (UAL 78?) been around a large AC conversion from 3 hole to 2 hole AC? What happened at your company when you changed?
For what its worth...no secret I want to upgrade to an FO job ASAP, but I hope the 727 stays around a few more years. Its cheap, paid for, does the job well, and employs a lot of us who might otherwise be on the street.
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Re: Explain yourself Cardinal
Sorry for being quite unclear. Contempt is the very antithesis of my sentiment. I proudly wear my union pin, and support and admire the FedEx pilots that fought tooth and nail to organize in a hostile environment. Please, fight even harder in 2004, so that I might reap the benefits someday! I've spent about a month as a handler while furloughed - I was merely echoing the sentiments I saw around me. Those are certainly not my opinions.
fox3 said:
Sorry for being quite unclear. Contempt is the very antithesis of my sentiment. I proudly wear my union pin, and support and admire the FedEx pilots that fought tooth and nail to organize in a hostile environment. Please, fight even harder in 2004, so that I might reap the benefits someday! I've spent about a month as a handler while furloughed - I was merely echoing the sentiments I saw around me. Those are certainly not my opinions.
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Albie15,
I'll tell you what happened when we parked the last of the 727's and L1011's------about 1310 furloughs. Of course, we also parked some two seaters--like 737-200's. But, when they start parking planes WITHOUT getting replacements or getting feeders to fly 727 routes (ATR72s), then it gets hairy. I hope that doesn't happen to you guys. (But management will be looking to save a buck for their eventual bonuses....just watch)
Bye Bye--General Lee
I'll tell you what happened when we parked the last of the 727's and L1011's------about 1310 furloughs. Of course, we also parked some two seaters--like 737-200's. But, when they start parking planes WITHOUT getting replacements or getting feeders to fly 727 routes (ATR72s), then it gets hairy. I hope that doesn't happen to you guys. (But management will be looking to save a buck for their eventual bonuses....just watch)
Bye Bye--General Lee
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ATRs
The ATRs are not replacing the 727, they are replacing the Folker (I believe F-28) a Fedex Feeder. The domestic market is flat, but not in decline. The ATR is to slow and to small for what we do. I also do not believe it is big enough for our cans.
On the postive side: Scheduling was actualy drafting 727 FE this week. Guys on reserve are getting used alot. So who knows: maybe the MD-11 is starting to suck up some people.
The ATRs are not replacing the 727, they are replacing the Folker (I believe F-28) a Fedex Feeder. The domestic market is flat, but not in decline. The ATR is to slow and to small for what we do. I also do not believe it is big enough for our cans.
On the postive side: Scheduling was actualy drafting 727 FE this week. Guys on reserve are getting used alot. So who knows: maybe the MD-11 is starting to suck up some people.
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Re: ATRs
I wouldn't be surprised if FDX has more invested in the cargo cans than any possible replacement.
This would give FDX the same problem as the military - The Army has the M-1 tank, so the Air Force has to build an airplane to carry it!!
I've noticed that the number of 727 F/O's on the daily reserve (R-A) levelling list has decreased from around 30-ish to 6 over the course of this month. I don't know if that is just a temporary issue, or a chronic one.
USNFDX said:
I wouldn't be surprised if FDX has more invested in the cargo cans than any possible replacement.
This would give FDX the same problem as the military - The Army has the M-1 tank, so the Air Force has to build an airplane to carry it!!
I've noticed that the number of 727 F/O's on the daily reserve (R-A) levelling list has decreased from around 30-ish to 6 over the course of this month. I don't know if that is just a temporary issue, or a chronic one.
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Re: ATRs
Actually with the Large Cargo Door option the ATR42 can take 5 LD3s, and the 72 can take 7. Whodathunkit. With a 17,941lb payload the airplane would bulk out first, but it's pretty well balanced. http://www.atraircraft.com/atrcargo.htm
USNFDX said:
Actually with the Large Cargo Door option the ATR42 can take 5 LD3s, and the 72 can take 7. Whodathunkit. With a 17,941lb payload the airplane would bulk out first, but it's pretty well balanced. http://www.atraircraft.com/atrcargo.htm
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Hey AlbieF15 - What's that crack about FO's upgrading from the DC-10 to the A300? Thems fight'n words boy. Going from the 10 to the 300 is like going from Caddy with a big engine to one of those cheesy looking French cars you always see Peter Sellers driving around in the Pink Panther movies. Man, what a slap in the face; what a kick in the shins ....
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