I just have a couple of questions to the FED EX/UPS guys. From what I understand about your lists, FED EX has 4000 plus pilots and UPS has around 2200. Is there anyone out there that has info on average age of the pilot groups and expectations for retirements? Also, when things get turned around, what the expectations are for the "natural size" of the seniority list? Even for who I fly for, the talk was, we are always understaffed, just curious to what is considered a proper staffing level. I am just curious about how these lists match up to the other majors. Thanks.