Feb 27th Mesaba Furloughs

[SEVEN]

The Feb. lines came out today. Everyone on the Feb 27th Furlough is being furloughed on the 15th instead.
I don't think they can do that but who knows...

Thanks Spandex

 

[DetoXJ]

The Feb. lines came out today. Everyone on the Feb 27th Furlough is being furloughed on the 15th instead.
I don't think they can do that but who knows...

Thanks Spandex

Yes the company can do that. You got 14 days notice right? Good luck and we will see you back soon.

 

[SEVEN]

Correction

Crew planning made a "mistake"....they said they will fix the problem.

 

[Northern Lights]

I'm sure that the phone was ringing off the hook this afternoon!

Looking at the Feb 27th list, it appears that it was the DTW SF3 FO's that got messed up.

Others on the 2/27 list have a full months schedule, and some show "TER" after the 26th.

 

[Avro dude]

I got TER on my schedule too. What does that stand for?

 

[gnx99]

^ I was wondering that too. Other lists have "FUR" for furlough, which makes sense, but "TER" ??

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

If you're no longer with the company, that's what they put on your schedule.

 

[DetoXJ]

Planning made a mistake. The final lines should say "FUR" not "TER". Just like pilots make mistakes, so does planning. Just read all the monthly ASAP summary if you think pilots are perfect and planning isn't.

 

[DrProc]

Planning made a mistake. The final lines should say "FUR" not "TER". Just like pilots make mistakes, so does planning. Just read all the monthly ASAP summary if you think pilots are perfect and planning isn't.

You sound like chief pilot material.

 

[DetoXJ]

You sound like chief pilot material.

No Thanks, I don't want the CP job. Besides, we have great CP's as it is. I just get sick of the guys / gals who fly off the handle when planning / scheduling makes a simple / honest mistake. The same guys / gals are the ones who are filing ASAP reports left and right to cover up for the fact that they screwed up. We are lucky at XJ right now to have the best group of Schedulers and Planners I have yet to work with.

 

[propjob27]

We are lucky at XJ right now to have the best group of Schedulers and Planners I have yet to work with.

Awesome. Maybe they can help you guys out of Chapter 11.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Awesome. Maybe they can help you guys out of Chapter 11.

WHAT?!?!? That was really weak, man....

 

[propjob27]

They just don't sound like the best in the business from what I've heard. But, hey as long as DetoXJ is happy with them...

 

[xjhawk]

so how many are on the furlough list.....i thought that those would not happen since the shortage of FO's. I guess the shortage of FOs and lack of researves is not a problem with this company.

 

[Northern Lights]

deleted....

I looked at some wrong info.

 

[Butters]

We are lucky at XJ right now to have the best group of Schedulers and Planners I have yet to work with.

Nope. Our schedulers are very good, but the planners suck balls. Mostly because they are (almost) all new. The manager of crew planning is quite possibly the biggest moron in the history of aviation, yet she keeps bouncing from one management job to another.

Me thinks she has pictures of someone doing something bad to something or someone else. There is no other way to explain it.

DetoXJ, if you think our planners are the "best group" you have worked with, then you haven't been many places. They need help.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

We are lucky at XJ right now to have the best group of Schedulers and Planners I have yet to work with.

That's Classic! A couple of years ago planning canceled vacations while we had pilots furloughed.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

And I almost forgot, all the junior manning that's going on now while we have 55 pilots on the street.

 

[DetoXJ]

They just don't sound like the best in the business from what I've heard. But, hey as long as DetoXJ is happy with them...

I never said they were the best in the business. Just far better from some of the Tools we had back pre 9/11 and especially during the Bedford Era. I have some gripes but overall they are a good group and will work with you and do favors and are pleasant to deal with.

 

[Avro dude]

So did we ever figure out what TER stands for?

 

[SEVEN]

So did we ever figure out what TER stands for?

Terminated

 

[4BlueBars]

DetoXJ: I have some gripes but overall they are a good group and will work with you and do favors and are pleasant to deal with.


Planning has been everything BUT cooperative with me. Voluntary furlough? NO! Personnal leave? NO!
They are furloughing over 100 pilots but they can't give me a voluntary. I know a few pilots that would take a voluntary if they came out with another one.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Yeah, planning is not helping with anything now. Wouldn't surprise me if the dictate came down from Special Ed that planning was to be has anal as possible with these furloughs.

 

[DetoXJ]

DetoXJ: I have some gripes but overall they are a good group and will work with you and do favors and are pleasant to deal with.


Planning has been everything BUT cooperative with me. Voluntary furlough? NO! Personnal leave? NO!
They are furloughing over 100 pilots but they can't give me a voluntary. I know a few pilots that would take a voluntary if they came out with another one.

In accordance with the CBA and section 23.1.A.2 the company has been in compliance. I'm sorry you didn't have the seniority to get your Vol. Furlough. Numerous FO slots went unawarded and the one and only Captain slot went senior. Not every position is eligable for Vol. Fur. If additional furloughs continue the company will once again offer voluntary furloughs. Who denied your personal leave? Did you talk to a CP? How about TOWP. You can always get involved with the Neg. Committee if you aren't happy with the contractual language regarding how this is all unfolding. Have you given them any feedback?

 

[4BlueBars]

The reason they didn't approve the volutary wasn't because of a seniority issue. Not that I'm aware of anyway. Workman & Hoffbeck were the two that have denied the leave of absence as well as the voluntary furlough.

 

[DetoXJ]

Planning can't deny you the Vol. Fur. if you had the seniority to hold it. The last Vol. Fur. notice only had one Saab Captain and it went to #208 in the company. I assume you are a Saab Captain since your screen name is 4bar and your profile says you fly props. Just because the company is furloughing doesn't mean just anybody can sign up for a Vol. Fur. You have to look at the Vol. Fur. notice and bid it. Did you bid the Vol. Fur. Notice? You can't just call them out of the blue and ask them for one. If you are junior to #208 you weren't denied it, you just couldn't hold it.

 

[flyin backwards]

Planning made a mistake. The final lines should say "FUR" not "TER". Just like pilots make mistakes, so does planning. Just read all the monthly ASAP summary if you think pilots are perfect and planning isn't.

Pilots aren't perfect, we fill out ASAP reports to save our ticket when something went wrong. Planning doesn't have to worry about losing there "ticket". If they did there would be about 1000 ASAP's a day coming from them. Go back on MyMesaba and look at all the "revised" stuff they had to put out. Revised Vacancy awards, revised schedules, revised vacation grids, revised reduction noticed, the list is endless. If these are the best I would hate to see the worst.

 

[OttoPilot]

I assume you are a Saab Captain since your screen name is 4bar and your profile says you fly props.

Wouldn't he be "5BlueBars" if he were a Captain? I think he is counting the blue stripes between the silver ones.

I've flown with "Blue Stripe Captains" at Mesaba that like to try to run the entire airline from the right seat of a SAAB.

 

[DetoXJ]

Pilots aren't perfect, we fill out ASAP reports to save our ticket when something went wrong. Planning doesn't have to worry about losing there "ticket". If they did there would be about 1000 ASAP's a day coming from them. Go back on MyMesaba and look at all the "revised" stuff they had to put out. Revised Vacancy awards, revised schedules, revised vacation grids, revised reduction noticed, the list is endless. If these are the best I would hate to see the worst.

Funny that you went there backards. A lot of the awards end up getting revised due to the fact that pilots screw up their bids or pilots submit improper bids or pilot bid cards are sloppy or late. Thats why we have until Wednesday to dispute a bid award. We also have a "Final" vacancy/reduction award to go along with the initial award. I'm not saying pilots are to blame for all of the revised awards but we share in the blame. What matters is that the mistakes are corrected and the final bids / awards are correct when it's all said and done which is the case.

 

[Yudso]

This may be a little progressive for this company, but why didn't the company allow for more voluntary captain furloughs? Seems like the less downgrade training the less expense. Not to mention the fact that allowing the more senior captains to go and keep the junior guys saves on longevity pay. Special Ed probably couldn't get that type of high level math right. Let him stick with his fuel savings guestimates.