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How about....

...the St Louis Arch (Gateway to the West).


Though it's not that high, the triangular cross section means that at the top, the windows look down, not out. It's really strange to look out those windows and seeing nothing below you!

...or the Royal Gorge Bridge in Colorado.

The road surface of that bridge isn't concrete, steel, etc. It's WOOD! Admittedly, very thick wood, but still... The planks have approxiatemately 1-2 inch gaps between them, so if you look down while walking, the shutter effect makes it look like you're not walking on anything at all... And of course, dropping your keys could have bad consequences...:).

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I'm afraid of going out shopping or just being out because I could get shot or killed.I think I will just stay in the car. On the other hand I can get shot or car-jacked while sitting in the car so I better just drive home. On the other hand I could get into a car wreck on my way out or home so I should just stay on the porch. On the other hand I could slip and fall down the porch steps and break my neck or worse I better just stay in the house. On the other hand I could fall down the steps or slip off of the toilet and break my neck I should just stay in bed. I might fall out of bed and break my neck so I should just stand here in the corner of the room. On the other hand my legs might get tired from standing up all the time and I could fall and break my neck. I mean if superman the man of steel falls off a horse and breaks his neck, what hope do the rest of us have.

Live life to it's fullest, you never know when today is your last day nobody promised you tomorrow. Fear is the mind's way of warning you that something is dangerous or unknown, fear lets you know your still alive. Respect it, but don't let it dictate how you live.
 
Citationkid said:
What about open cockpit planes?

I am scared sh*tless by ladders, and observation balcony's, but fine in most aircraft, including Open Cockpit planes (beings strapped in by a hooker harness and a chute helps).

Now my first flight in the cub was an issue it took me a while to get use to having the window open (that sure is a big window, big enough to fall out of, and the seat belt sure is small). But slowly you get use to it, just don't open the door.
 
I don't like heights, never have. When I was eighteen, I was working my first flying job, flying ag (crop dusting). I recall running out of chemical in a field. The owner of the business was flying with me, in another airplane. He had some cleanup passes to do, and told me to climb to 1,000' and wait for him. I recall being terrified of going that high. Don't people pass out at those kind of altitudes??

After skydiving for nearly 20 years now, I can honestly say that the feeling and fear of heights is in no way diminished.

Many moons ago, a bunch of us were stuffed in the freezing loft of a drop zone, gathered around a large wood burning stove, trying to stay warm. We were weathered out, and a little down about not being able to jump. Someone came up with the bright idea of seeing who present had ever had a falling dream. Everyone had. An interesting question, he proposed. We always hear that anyone who hits the ground in their dream will die. Who here has hit the ground in their dream.

About 25 or so of us there; everyone raised their hand. So we took turns telling about our dreams.

Each one was similiar. The jumper hit the ground with a pack malfunction, failed reserve, pilot chute in tow, whatever. In each case, the jumper expressed anger at the parachute rig. Took it off, threw it at the ground. Stomped on it. All except John, the last one to tell his story.

"I was in freefall, hit pull altitude. I had a hard pull, and went for the reserve after two attempts. No luck. I pulled harder, double checked in case I had the harness. No luck. I struggled, I got ground rush. I knew I was going in. Then I thought to myself, wait a minute! This is my dream. So I started flapping my arms, and went back up..."

I don't think it's the fear of falling. As one who has no affinity or love for heights, I've never found the fall to be an issue. It's not; it's like floating in breathable water. The fear of the fear is perhaps an issue, but the fear of the act is not. As a kid who sailed out of a bunkbed more than once and hit the floor during a falling dream, and as an adult who has spent time in Intensive Care following a parachute malfunction...the fall has never been the thing. It's the suddent stop at the end that really sucks.

However, I can't say I understand the concept of the fear of death. I don't think that's it at all. Death is nothing; it's a transition, but so what? If it's fear of death that holds you back, then forget it. Move on. There are much more important things to occupy your mind than death. It's inevitable, you'll never escape this life alive, forget it. It will happen, sooner or later. But fear of dying? Fear of dying is arrogance in the extreme...what makes one think one is so important that dying is even an issue? It's not. You're not. I'm not. Forget death. You'll get there eventually anyway.

As for the Stratosphere...one of these days I'm going to base jump it. Everyone who manages to get over the edge (it's not nearly as easy as it once was) gets arrested. But friends who made it tell me it's worth it. I think I'd probably agree, but don't really want the arrest record just yet. Nor do I want to be arrested in Las Vegas. A much worse fate than death. Later, when the time is right. I know a couple that made it over the edge by taking a baby stroller to the top. There was no baby; just two base rigs under a blanket. They put on the rigs in plain sight and made it over the edge, but got arrested on the ground. Personally, I think the Stratosphere should set aside time each week or month when base jumping is allowed, and then folks wouldn't have to make outlaw jumps.

Where heights begin to bother me are on roller coasters. Carnival rides. Aside from them making me sick, I spend my time wondering who the master with the 3rd grade education was that last put the thing together, and when each weld was last x-rayed. And what cumulative stresses exist in the track rails, seat rails, etc. It's not really the fear of heights, nor the fear of death. Death is painless. It's the fear of surviving a disaster on those rickety deathtraps...fear of pain, or the anticipation of pain. I don't like pain. I seem to host it a lot...but it's not really a welcome guest. Death...so what? Pain? Big deal. Fear of pain, not fear of heights or fear of death.

I'd much rather freefall through blue skies to a black death, than get a root canal. And the dentist chair isn't even all that high off the floor...
 
avbug said:
Personally, I think the Stratosphere should set aside time each week or month when base jumping is allowed, and then folks wouldn't have to make outlaw jumps.
There must be something we can do about people that have to break the law.


Other than that, interesting post, and interesting perspective. I've only had one root canal, and it wasn't particularly painful - - I'm not sure what all the fuss is about, frankly. Perhaps it's because I tolerate pain rather well, but I honestly don't think it was painful - - just long.

Even so, I think the physiological reaction my body has to the perspective of heights is about more than just pain. Danger maybe? Maybe it's a reaction to consciously acting in defiance of the body's self-preservation reflexes? And perhaps it's possible that everyone has this same experience to some degree or another, and the only reason this discussion is in progress is because it seems - - SEEMS - - ironic that the phenomenon occurs to pilots. The most casual of observers might think that pilots should be immune to the same self-preservation reflexes that other human beings enjoy.

Perhaps it would be more profitable to stop trying to figure out what people are afraid of, and instead examine the question of why flying doesn't seem to trigger this fear.
 
Pull up, Biff! Pull up!

Flying is about being in control of your fall - that's all. Fear of falling is fear of being out-of-control. Being wrapped around a set of controls, and having that control, is what the whole attraction to flying machines is all about.
 
**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, I always thought it was just me who was scared of being next to the edge of cliffs, buildings, ladders, etc. But I have no problem in an aircraft. I think the guy who said, "it's not the fear of heights, it's a fear of falling” hit it on the nail.
 
BankAccount=0$ said:
It's pretty cool to look 1000+ plus feet down with just glass under your feet.
Good grief! Makes my feet sweat just thinking about it! :eek:

I don't care for heights at all. Takes me forever to put up Christmas lights. (I swear those ladders start moving when you get up there!)

It's never bothered my flying, though. Not even once. Don't know why...
 

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