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this was spraypainted on a wall on Beale street:





"If you are doing volunteer, draft or selling back your vacation this summer, you are part of the problem. Period. You have every right under the contract to do so. But the company has every right under the labor laws to stall these negotiations until past peak 2006. So if you are waiting for this peak to do something, better think again"
 
That was a big dam' can of spray paint....
 
Mark...oops...CaptainMark,

Shouldn't you have addressed this to...

"pilots who fly for the largest most profitable cargo airline in the world with the best vacation policy, retirement plan and work rules, who fly widebodies all over the world and even domestically....who will all retire a millionaire...and fly about 60% dayflying now..."

Sewing on your fifth stripe tonight?
 
I finally agree...

CaptMark,

I knew if I listened to you long enough I would finally agree with something you said.
From our guys in Subic:
"To quote one of our pilots, "The only draft we accept is ice cold and served in a frosty mug!" - The boys from subic"
 
Huck said:
That was a big dam' can of spray paint....

Must have been a huge wall too. I don't know how many people can spray paint in a reasonable font size; I can't. Must have been a gang member, they're pretty good at that.

Or maybe the dude brought stencils.

By the way, do any FedEX pilots actually hang out on Beale??
 
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Doesn't matter because there will allways be pilots picking up draft trips and selling vacation because they have their own "deal" or just don't understand the big picture. Plus they have the old fallback line of, "the union never said not to." or I've got 3 wives to pay for, or I don't work for the union I work for (insert company name). EEEEECH

Same old line. until that group feels wronged, understands the big picture, or just gets called out in shame they will never change.
 
Yes it does matter. Change IS taking place - started in Subic NOW the company had to Learjet 2 MD11 crews up to ANC to cover trips recently.

Maybe LAX next then MEM will finally get a clue.......
 
Then why are we sitting at the negotiating table??? We should've walked two months ago!!!!!!!!!!
 
IB6 UB9 said:
Mark...oops...CaptainMark,

Shouldn't you have addressed this to...

"pilots who fly for the largest most profitable cargo airline in the world with the best vacation policy, retirement plan and work rules, who fly widebodies all over the world and even domestically....who will all retire a millionaire...and fly about 60% dayflying now..."

Sewing on your fifth stripe tonight?

yes..i should have..so why are u on this board..go away...we have it good but we will make it even better...


cleaning your fifth cabin today?
 
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Diesel said:
Doesn't matter because there will allways be pilots picking up draft trips and selling vacation because they have their own "deal" or just don't understand the big picture. Plus they have the old fallback line of, "the union never said not to." or I've got 3 wives to pay for, or I don't work for the union I work for (insert company name). EEEEECH

Same old line. until that group feels wronged, understands the big picture, or just gets called out in shame they will never change.

have some faith......i am doing my part..i tell all my buds that it is so easy to go into VIPS and put yourself on the "do not call" list...in fact i have never sold a vacation back in 11.5 yrs...i will be taking july and august off completely...see ya in sept...
 
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Mark, you guys deserve a raise. After all, it has been a while since the last hull loss...
 
IB6UB9,
Wow!!!!! To much time on your hands? Why aren't you hunting? How's the golf game? If you ever want to get your As. Kicked, give me a call.
Huck
 
Did it say anything about ungrateful newbie doooouchebags like "Pipe" who have forgotten how pilots from other carriers extended the jumpseat to Fedex pilots for years when they had no jumpseat to offer in return . . . . and now show up on this board bad-mouthing AirTran for only giving up one free jumpseat?

Just curious!
 
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CaptainMark said:
have some faith......i am doing my part..i tell all my buds that it is so easy to go into VIPS and put yourself on the "do not call" list...in fact i have never sold a vacation back in 11.5 yrs...i will be taking july and august off completely...see ya in sept...
CaptainMark........I disagree with changing your VIPS selection to "do not call for draft". If everybody selected "I'm a wh**e so call me", it would take the company longer to fill the trips. Also, if called, you can get all the specifics about the trip so you can track see who finally takes it.
 
"Also, if called, you can get all the specifics about the trip so you can track see who finally takes it."

The same with disputed pairings -- of course you all know this. For example: pairing 34(trip 0013, 16Jun06), which begins 16 Jun. It sat in open time for days, then 448716 picks it up -- YGBSM! One disputed pairing for the entire month and he takes it.
 
I got another take on this from a Capt I flew with last month. He thinks guys should fly as much draft/VLT/AVA and open time as possible right now. He seemed to think that this would cause the company to expect it and rely on it. As such, it would have a larger impact once the union said "stop" and we all did. Thoughts?
 
They already rely on it. DUH!!

Said captain is just trying to justify his DFT/VLT/AVA/Vacation buyback to you.

Read between the lines, IMO the Union is doing all it can to tell you to fly 100% and more importantly your fellow crew members are asking that you fly 100%.
 
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MAGNUM!! said:
I got another take on this from a Capt I flew with last month. He thinks guys should fly as much draft/VLT/AVA and open time as possible right now. He seemed to think that this would cause the company to expect it and rely on it. As such, it would have a larger impact once the union said "stop" and we all did. Thoughts?

Yeah....when exactly does this guy think that this will happen? The union CANNOT tell us to not do something that is allowed in the contract. That's what's known as an illegal job action. So if he's waiting for a message from the MEC telling him to not fly draft.... it will never come, and he can keep flying it forever telling himself that he's setting up the company real good.

Sounds like he's trying to twist the logic around so that he can sleep at night while he flies draft all month.

Oh, and as USMCFDX already said: the company ALREADY relies on DFT/VOL! Look what happened at SFS when those guys quit flying it - Mgmt types flying in to cover trips and now SFS lines showing up in the MEM A300 bidpack.
 
MAGNUM!! said:
I got another take on this from a Capt I flew with last month. He thinks guys should fly as much draft/VLT/AVA and open time as possible right now. He seemed to think that this would cause the company to expect it and rely on it. As such, it would have a larger impact once the union said "stop" and we all did. Thoughts?

Magnum-

Are you familiar with the APA sick out?

We are operating in a totally different environment....

Now, I'm not saying the APA was justified in any way, but the people that control the dollars and companies we work for have no tolerance for sick outs and a suspension of service. They really don't have much tolerance for legal job actions either, but the law is what it is....

Regards...




[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]April 15, 1999
Web posted at: 11:59 p.m. EDT (0359 GMT)
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From Correspondent Charles Zewe
DALLAS (CNN) -- Saying it made him "sick to his stomach," a federal judge hit the American Airlines pilots Allied Pilots Association Thursday with a $45.5 million compensatory damage award for contempt for staging a sickout against the airline.
U.S. District Judge Joe Kendall held the Allied Pilots Association (APA) in contempt in February over the job action that led to the cancellation of nearly 6,700 American flights.
Allied Pilots Association officials say they will appeal. If upheld, however, the fine could wipe out the Allied Pilots Association financially. APA officials claim the Allied Pilots Association is worth about $38 million.
"We're obviously disappointed by the judge's award," said APA President Rich LaVoy. "We think we're a long way from this being fully adjudicated."
American Airlines spokesperson Andrea Rader said the airline takes "no particular pleasure" in the verdict.
Kendall acknowledged his decision might devastate the Allied Pilots Association financially.
"A lot of very fine people are going to be hurt and hurt badly by this ruling," Kendall said in handing down the decision.
During a two-day hearing earlier this week, Kendall heard testimony from the Allied Pilots Association and the airline about how much each side believed the incident cost the carrier.

[FONT=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Dollars to days out

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About 2,500 pilots called in sick during the 11 days of the sickout that stemmed from a dispute over the integration of pilots from Reno Air. Reno pilots make about half of what American pilots earn.
American claimed the entire sickout cost the company more than $225 million.
The contempt hearing, however, focused on the two-day period that began with Kendall's February 10 back-to-work order and ending when pilots were cited with contempt and returned to the cockpit by the thousands on February 12.
The airline contends it could have resumed normal operations more quickly had pilots returned to their jobs soon after the judge ordered them to end the sickout.
"We would have recovered the airline two days earlier," said Tim Ahern, American's vice president for operations and scheduling.
Charts compiled by the airline showed that the number of pilots calling in sick actually increased after the back-to- work order.
American witnesses estimated losses for that two-day period at $50.96 million. Expert witnesses for the Allied Pilots Association put the losses at between $1-$4.5 million.
In handing down the fine, Kendall rejected Allied Pilots Association estimates as "unbelievable" and sided with American.

[FONT=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Another $10 million due Monday

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As part of his ruling, Judge Kendall ordered the Allied Pilots Association to put up an additional $10 million by 4 p.m. Monday as a down payment on the damages. The Allied Pilots Association was ordered in February to place $10 million with the court in preparation of a fine.
Lawyers for both sides were asked to submit briefs on how the remaining $25.5 million should be collected and whether Allied Pilots Association officials should be held personally liable for the money.
In earlier testimony, witnesses for the APA said pilot work rules and contractual agreements prevented pilots from returning to work more quickly. But Kendall frequently interrupted airline industry analyst Robert Mann Jr. and at one point said Mann's comments and analysis were unclear.
The Allied Pilots Association contended that the sickout was a response to the stress of the labor dispute over Reno Air. Allied Pilots Association officials said the $45 million fine is not likely to prompt another job action. The issue over Reno Air remains unresolved.
"We're very disappointed the judge would come up with this number," LaVoy said. "If we're going to go forward, this is not the way to resolve the problems. It is a shame that we've come to this."
Labor peace at American has long been an issue. American spokesperson Rader says she hopes the award ends the dispute, which inconvenienced an estimated 670,000 passengers.
"They're victims of this -- as are we," she said. "We went to court to get the sickout to stop. We want to close this chapter and get on with labor peace."



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Beaver said:
CaptainMark........I disagree with changing your VIPS selection to "do not call for draft". If everybody selected "I'm a wh**e so call me", it would take the company longer to fill the trips. Also, if called, you can get all the specifics about the trip so you can track see who finally takes it.

and in here lies the problems of the fdx group...everyone knows how to do it better...including me...the hints from the last few letters the past 6 months spell it out for me...noone from scheduling calls me...i fly my trips and go home...no extra for me....my choice....but i have been here long enough to know who the turds are...we will never change their mind....but the majority will always rule and if the majority does the right thing they will still get the message....when the optimizer came out some actually defended it....the majority called in sick and it lasted only a month and mook was fired...and union membership hit almost 100%....do your part..i am...
 
Rez,

ALPA lawyers are approving all e-mails prior to them being sent to the pilots.

If the pilots want to read between the lines then they can read whatever they want to read. The company can read what they would like also.

I will just continue to fly 100% and do some more reading.
 
I got another take on this from a Capt I flew with last month. He thinks guys should fly as much draft/VLT/AVA and open time as possible right now. He seemed to think that this would cause the company to expect it and rely on it. As such, it would have a larger impact once the union said "stop" and we all did. Thoughts?

That seems like it would be fine, about a year ago. It's been over two years and it is time to turn things up a notch.
 
1st Overnite said:
That seems like it would be fine, about a year ago. It's been over two years and it is time to turn things up a notch.

I should've been more clear, sorry about that. His point was that if all of us as individuals gradually stop doing DFT/AVA/VLT, the company can adjust to that. I'm aware that they can't fly all the freight already without this stuff from the pilots. If we slow-leak it, it gives them time and room to adjust. If we do it all at once as opposed to gradually over time as it seems to be happening, it will have a more "dramatic" effect.

Again, his words not mine. Thanks for all the inputs, though!
 
the subic guys stopped all at once and the company now has to use mem guys to cover the trips over there...i think that is his excuse to to whore himself out...plus we are short crews now....what good would it do to do it when we are properly staffed...
 
CaptainMark said:
the subic guys stopped all at once and the company now has to use mem guys to cover the trips over there...i think that is his excuse to to whore himself out...plus we are short crews now....what good would it do to do it when we are properly staffed...

I can see it both ways I guess. This particular Capt min runs his schedule (local guy) and doesn't do all the extra stuff, FWIW. Good points all around. I think the important thing is that when push comes to shove (and now could very well be the time) I think we'll all be on the same page.
 
Integrity

Is what you do when no one is watching. Applies here as well. Any rationalization can be used. One doesn't need to wait for the "union" to tell them something. You need to take personal responsibility for your actions and make a decision for yourself. Self discipline means taking your snout out of the trough before someone tells you to. Decide for yourself what you want to do. Personally, I live in Memphis and don't fly extra....my marginal hour off is worth far more than my hourly rate at time and a half.

Oh and by the way, though I agree with Capt Mark on this issue, I think in general he is a sanctimonious a$$ and usually can see his comments in my mind being printed out and passed across a negotiating committee table, or worse yet printed in the commercial mullet wrapper.

Mark, do us all (and our reputations) a favor and keep your trap shut for a while.
 
Laughing_Jakal said:
Is what you do when no one is watching. Applies here as well. Any rationalization can be used. One doesn't need to wait for the "union" to tell them something. You need to take personal responsibility for your actions and make a decision for yourself. Self discipline means taking your snout out of the trough before someone tells you to. Decide for yourself what you want to do. Personally, I live in Memphis and don't fly extra....my marginal hour off is worth far more than my hourly rate at time and a half.

Oh and by the way, though I agree with Capt Mark on this issue, I think in general he is a sanctimonious a$$ and usually can see his comments in my mind being printed out and passed across a negotiating committee table, or worse yet printed in the commercial mullet wrapper.

Mark, do us all (and our reputations) a favor and keep your trap shut for a while.



OUCH!
 
we are all tough guys on the internet...laughing jacka$$ is no exception..and congrats on the new word u learned...

from another of your posts...

"With all due respect, you are being sanctimonious. I interviewed at FedEx, didn't do a sim prep, didn't do an interview prep, except my own, and have worked here for five years......I was also hired by other airlines....."
 
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CaptainMark said:
have some faith......i am doing my part..i tell all my buds that it is so easy to go into VIPS and put yourself on the "do not call" list...in fact i have never sold a vacation back in 11.5 yrs...i will be taking july and august off completely...see ya in sept...

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