Falcon 7Xs - Who Will Be Getting Them First?

[timmay]

I just read that AIN article too and wow - it looks like a fun ride. I gather that the G350 and Global 5000 aircraft are considered "direct" competitors to the 7X. The fact that the 7X has a third engine (for the safety conscious) and a wider cabin would seem to make it a clear winner from an owner perspective. I would presume that current Falcon 900EX/2000EAsy owners would be likely step-up 7X customers.[/quote]

I believe the globals are quite a bit longer than the 7x, 76 feet long versus the global which is 99ish. The global will also cruise at .88 mach, but other than that the falcon looks like a better buy. The avionics in the falcon are great, as well as the side stick adding more room in the cockpit. The global could definitely use a face lift with the avionics.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I just read that AIN article too and wow - it looks like a fun ride. I gather that the G350 and Global 5000 aircraft are considered "direct" competitors to the 7X. The fact that the 7X has a third engine (for the safety conscious) and a wider cabin would seem to make it a clear winner from an owner perspective. I would presume that current Falcon 900EX/2000EAsy owners would be likely step-up 7X customers.

I believe the globals are quite a bit longer than the 7x, 76 feet long versus the global which is 99ish. The global will also cruise at .88 mach, but other than that the falcon looks like a better buy. The avionics in the falcon are great, as well as the side stick adding more room in the cockpit. The global could definitely use a face lift with the avionics.

better buy? priced a 7X lately? Im guessing spots are selling for 50mil+ by now.

roomy? spoken like someone who certainly has not sat in either!

sit in a 7X cockpit then sit in a GLEX cockpit and tell me which one you want to spend 13hrs in.

Of course the 7X has better avionics, its about 10 years newer.

Have you taken a peak at the new Global Avionice package? It comes out in a few years and will make the 7X look antique.

both good airplanes IMHO - but apples and oranges my man!

 

[timmay]

better buy? priced a 7X lately? Im guessing spots are selling for 50mil+ by now.

roomy? spoken like someone who certainly has not sat in either!

sit in a 7X cockpit then sit in a GLEX cockpit and tell me which one you want to spend 13hrs in.

Of course the 7X has better avionics, its about 10 years newer.

Have you taken a peak at the new Global Avionice package? It comes out in a few years and will make the 7X look antique.

both good airplanes IMHO - but apples and oranges my man!

Your right never sat in a 7x but it looked pretty big from the photos ive seen. I also wasnt aware that the 7x was close to 50 mil if thats true I would say that it is overpriced.

When does the new avionics package come out for the global? The boss is looking to buy a slot for a 5000.

 

[rumrnr78]

August was in training for the 7x. Might have been for personal a/c. Don't know if Busch corp will get one.
BTW, is it true that if you meet a Busch pilot on the road they will pick up the tab if your drinking a Busch product?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Your right never sat in a 7x but it looked pretty big from the photos ive seen. I also wasnt aware that the 7x was close to 50 mil if thats true I would say that it is overpriced.

When does the new avionics package come out for the global? The boss is looking to buy a slot for a 5000.

A 7X cockpit is the same as a 900....but is roomier with the sidesticks..

It is, however, VERY small for a 13+hr airplane.

then again, what isn't?



I hear new glexs around 2011...??

 

[CRJCA]

G100capt is right. Busch is selling theirs I guess because Bucsh himself doesnt hold a medical to fly it. AT&T is getting one this fall and another one late next year. Serial number 6 i think.

 

[Diesel]

Saw one in LAS yesterday. I can't say i was impressed. Looks like they could have made it about 10 to 15 feet longer.

 

[JohnnyP]

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I was impressed when I saw it....but I couldn't care less about flying it, I was just dreaming about being the guy who could afford to ride in the back.....

But once you get to that level of transportation, there all nice rides!

 

[mzaharis]

I gather that the G350 and Global 5000 aircraft are considered "direct" competitors to the 7X.

I didn't quite get this. Why is AIN comparing the G350 with the 7X? It doesn't seem quite a valid comparison. Gulfstream's G500 is much closer in range (G500 at 5800nm vs 7x at 6000 nm), and I think it's pretty close in list price, too.

 

[kilroy]

August was in training for the 7x. Might have been for personal a/c. Don't know if Busch corp will get one.
BTW, is it true that if you meet a Busch pilot on the road they will pick up the tab if your drinking a Busch product?

The pilots are encouraged to buy a round of drinks at the bar. I've heard these guys come home with $500+ bar bills and that is the norm.

I've also heard that 2 of the pilots were in there last 3 days of 7X training when they got news of the airplane not coming on line and were told to come home(I guess they stayed and finished ).

 

[lazyace75]

The pilots are encouraged to buy a round of drinks at the bar. I've heard these guys come home with $500+ bar bills and that is the norm.

I've also heard that 2 of the pilots were in there last 3 days of 7X training when they got news of the airplane not coming on line and were told to come home(I guess they stayed and finished ).

That picking up the bar tab on the road is very true. Why did AB get rid of the airplane? Especially at the last minute......Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Spooky 2]

The EBAy owners have 2 on order for LAS

What am I missing here? EBay just took delivery of a new G550 recently and to my knowledge they have nothing in LAS????

 

[GVFlyer]

I didn't quite get this. Why is AIN comparing the G350 with the 7X? It doesn't seem quite a valid comparison. Gulfstream's G500 is much closer in range (G500 at 5800nm vs 7x at 6000 nm), and I think it's pretty close in list price, too.

You're exactly correct. The Gulfstream G500 and the Pseudo-French Bombardier Global 5000 are direct competitors for the truly French Dassault-Mystere Falcon 7X in both price and range.

Both the 85,100 lb G500 and the 87,700 lb G5000 offer greater passenger room than the 69,000 lb Falcon.

GV

 

[Stryker]

What am I missing here? EBay just took delivery of a new G550 recently and to my knowledge they have nothing in LAS????

EBAY does own a G550, thats for the CEO in the Bay area. The Guys who started EBAY have 2 falcon 900's and are based in Vegas, with the 7x's to replace the 900's

 

[G100F16]

[/quote] the CEO wants aircraft with 3 engines not 2.[/quote]


How many times has your CEO been on a plane with an inflight shutdown??

 

[kilroy]

the CEO wants aircraft with 3 engines not 2.[/quote]


How many times has your CEO been on a plane with an inflight shutdown??[/quote]

Actually we are a subsidiary of the company that the CEO wants 3 engine aircraft so I can only guess as to his reasoning. But the do alot of over water operations so I'm sure this plays into mind. As for us we are 2 engine all the way and probably as big as we are going to get. And thats a good thing.

As to why Busch is selling the 7X rumor has it there is an ongoing squabble between Busch 3 and 4. From what I heard Busch 3 wants a BBj or Global but Busch 4 ordered the 7X long time ago dropping a million dollar nonrefundable deposit on it . So I guess Busch 3 won.

Who really knows I heard this from a reliable source but my crappy memory might have some of the details wrong.

 

[lfmn]

VP-BGG at Nice in july, very short take off and impressive rate of climb.

 

[Diesel]

vp-bgg is the one i saw in las

 

[Gulfstream 200]

[/quote]

Actually we are a subsidiary of the company that the CEO wants 3 engine aircraft so I can only guess as to his reasoning. But the do alot of over water operations so I'm sure this plays into mind. As for us we are 2 engine all the way and probably as big as we are going to get. And thats a good thing.

As to why Busch is selling the 7X rumor has it there is an ongoing squabble between Busch 3 and 4. From what I heard Busch 3 wants a BBj or Global but Busch 4 ordered the 7X long time ago dropping a million dollar nonrefundable deposit on it . So I guess Busch 3 won.

Who really knows I heard this from a reliable source but my crappy memory might have some of the details wrong.[/QUOTE]


nonrefundable???

puuuhlease...

might also be that they can pocket 10 mil+ on their 7X position.

just a wild guess..

you wouldn't believe what they are selling for!

:0

 

[Gulfstream 200]

You're exactly correct. The Gulfstream G500 and the Pseudo-French Bombardier Global 5000 are direct competitors for the truly French Dassault-Mystere Falcon 7X in both price and range.

Both the 85,100 lb G500 and the 87,700 lb G5000 offer greater passenger room than the 69,000 lb Falcon.

GV

the sad part about that is that the french thing will fly about 1500 miles further and burn less gas than either.

(and still cram you into a small falcon interior)

Its like a Yugo that can go from NY-Cali on a single tank of gas.

:bawling: