falcon 7X

[saviboy]

http://www.falconjet.com/7x/

Does anyone know which airplane (s) will be in direct competition with the 7x?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

IMHO:

For the price, its on its own.

Its very expensive for G450 range and cabin size.

However, I think its pretty neat technology and look forward to flying it!!

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[saviboy]

isn't the range 5700nm for the 7x?
and it appears to be 4350nm for the g450 and 6750nm for the g550.
If the price is so high, why would somebody buy a 7x versus a gulfstream? fly by wire? 3rd engine?

 

[Kingairrick]

Because it will probably fly 5700NM with 8 Pax out of a 4000' strip.Try that with a Gulfstream, or any twin jet.

 

[2000flyer]

Because it will probably fly 5700NM with 8 Pax out of a 4000' strip.Try that with a Gulfstream, or any twin jet.

Exactly! Our salesman said we'd be able to go out of a 3900' field and make eastern EU no sweat from the SE US.

Why does anyone buy a three engine jet? Safety, reliability, performance...

Max landing weight to beat near MTOW, Vref 104, landing distance 2350'! Incredible. The wing is incredible. You won't find fenses, vortex generators, winglets or the like on a 50/900/2000/7x wing.

This is going to be one sweet ride. DFJ is doing their best to have it flying at the Paris Air Show this year!

Of course, I'm biased

2000Flyer

 

[gear_guy]

Give me 2 of em.

 

[mzaharis]

Quick comparison (all from respective mfg'rs websites, except for prices, from ainonline.com)

7X - 37.5 Million
Range - 5700 nm (NBAA reserves, 8 passengers, 3 crew, Mach .80)
Cabin size - 6' 2" h by 39'1" l by 7'8" w (300 sq ft)

G500 - 37.5 Million
Range - 5800 NM (8 pass, 3 crew, NBAA reserves, unknown mach - assumed to be best range - GVFLYER?)
Cabin size 6'2" h by 45'1" l by 7'4" w - 331 sq ft

 

[2000flyer]

Quick comparison (all from respective mfg'rs websites, except for prices, from ainonline.com)

7X - 37.5 Million
Range - 5700 nm (NBAA reserves, 8 passengers, 3 crew, Mach .80)
Cabin size - 6' 2" h by 39'1" l by 7'8" w (300 sq ft)

G500 - 37.5 Million
Range - 5800 NM (8 pass, 3 crew, NBAA reserves, unknown mach - assumed to be best range - GVFLYER?)
Cabin size 6'2" h by 45'1" l by 7'4" w - 331 sq ft

It will be interesting to see how much fuel each require to make the above trip example.

2000Flyer

 

[globalexp]

Dassault says it has 50 orders. Anyone know who's getting one? PM me if you'd like.

 

[AA717driver]

Without running to LAX to use the FMS... AND using my very weak planning and performance skills... AND just figuring the G550 (the 500 has less fuel capacity)... AND not figuring in a step climb... AND assuming a full load (not 8 pax)

I came up with 38,000 lb burn. So, it's pretty much irelevent to this discussion.

GVflyer's probably got a program on his laptop to gin up this info.TC

Actually, with a swag... The max fuel load is 35k lbs. Figure a 3k lb. reserve so you'll burn 32k lbs.--in a perfect world.

 

[2000flyer]

All I've heard is the first one or two are destined for the U.S. DFJ is keeping names under wraps for obvious reasons.

It is also my understanding that training will be provided by SimuFlite's new facility to be built somewhere in the NY/NJ area.

Last I heard, DFJ was still trying to get the FAA and EASA to buy off on a plan that type ratings would be EASy types, with differences for each aircraft, rather than a separate type for each model. That would be great if it happens. They (FAA) bought off on the common Airbus type, as well as the common DA50/900 type, however, I've heard they're balking at the EASy type, so we'll see.

2000Flyer

 

[2000flyer]

...I came up with 38,000 lb burn. So, it's pretty much irelevent to this discussion...

AA, how on earth can you say it's irrelevant to this discussion? If the G500, or 550, will burn 38,000 (or 32,000 w/o reserves) pounds on a 5700nm trip, and the 7X only holds 28,900 pounds but can do the same trip with reserves, it sure sounds pretty darn relavant to me!

2000Flyer

 

[mzaharis]

Deleted - all included information stated more authoritatively by others.

 

[mzaharis]

Sorry - error in my previous numbers - G500 cabin length is 50 ft, 1 inch, for a total area of 367 sq ft.

 

[Kingairrick]

He he...he said "balking." He he, Falcons are cool...

 

[sleepy]

isn't the range 5700nm for the 7x?
and it appears to be 4350nm for the g450 and 6750nm for the g550.
If the price is so high, why would somebody buy a 7x versus a gulfstream? fly by wire? 3rd engine?

Because you get a better cabin with the Falcon. The Gulfstream is a very narrow tube, and thus is not very confortable on long flights.

 

[semperfido]

Because you get a better cabin with the Falcon. The Gulfstream is a very narrow tube, and thus is not very confortable on long flights.

on a twelve hour flight they are all uncomfortable....but i would still rather be in a gulfstream

 

[P3-Adub]

7x

Great plane to come. At NBAA I asked sales a few questions. At Mach .85 the 7X drops down to 4500NM, I think the Gulfstream is flying somewhat faster, the Global 5000 is doing .85 however this plane burns a lot of fuel to get the job done. Also heard that the Falcon 7X will burn 5 gallons for every 8 the Global burns, that is a BIG difference. The Gulfstream uses a little less fuel but not much, same engines. Efficiency is getting more and more important, just look at Boeing and Airbus, both coming out with much more efficient planes. I love Gulfstreams, the Global looks pretty nice too. However, the Falcon 7X is going to be a hard plane to beat, just gotta get that aquistion price down 3-4 Million and it will compete really well. Not likely.

 

[AA717driver]

AA, how on earth can you say it's irrelevant to this discussion? If the G500, or 550, will burn 38,000 (or 32,000 w/o reserves) pounds on a 5700nm trip, and the 7X only holds 28,900 pounds but can do the same trip with reserves, it sure sounds pretty darn relavant to me!

2000Flyer

It's irrelevant because the numbers are so vague since I took them from the G550 QRH and tried to interpolate it to the 500. I'm lousy on performance anyway so I probably even screwed up the swag.TC

 

[Gumby]

Latest and greatest...

All I've heard is the first one or two are destined for the U.S. DFJ is keeping names under wraps for obvious reasons.

It is also my understanding that training will be provided by SimuFlite's new facility to be built somewhere in the NY/NJ area.

Last I heard, DFJ was still trying to get the FAA and EASA to buy off on a plan that type ratings would be EASy types, with differences for each aircraft, rather than a separate type for each model. That would be great if it happens. They (FAA) bought off on the common Airbus type, as well as the common DA50/900 type, however, I've heard they're balking at the EASy type, so we'll see.

2000Flyer

Straight from some horses' mouth....

Dassault Rolls out Falcon 7X Today in France
[font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Dassault Aviation formally unveiled Falcon 7X S/N 001 to an audience of 800 guests today at Charles Lindbergh Hall at Dassault Aviation’s Bordeaux-Mérignac facility. “Today we have made a huge step forward in the industry,” said Dassault Aviation chairman and CEO Charles Edelstenne. “The 7X will accomplish many firsts. It is the first airplane ever designed and built in an entirely virtual environment. Also, the 7X will be the first [traditional] business jet to be flown with fly-by-wire technology. FBW reduces pilot workload and increases safety.” Dassault said it has orders for 50 of the new trijet. Six aircraft are currently in various stages of production. The first in a series of ground tests was completed successfully on February 1, Dassault said. Flight testing is scheduled to start at the beginning of the second quarter and last about 18 months, with three aircraft. Certification and first deliveries are expected before the end of next year. Separately, Montreal-based CAE announced that its training center for the Falcon 7X will be built in Morris County, N.J. The center, expected to be operational by summer next year, will also provide training for the Falcon 900EX/EASy and 2000EX/EASy.
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