fake military pilot?

[AlbieF15]

No biggy really, except that I also program a nice LNAV/VNAV approach into my FMS as well. So we get cleared for the PAR and this winner hits "direct to" on the FMS and delets my nice approach that I had just set up. .

What does all that stuff mean? I mean...I get PAR, but the rest of that is gibberish...:0

(round dial baby.....)

Scrappy--does this mean anything to you? Maybe you can 'splain it to me....

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Sorry about that.

LNAV = Lateral Navigation. VNAV = Vertical Navigation.

Essentially precision navigation in a box.

 

[bssthound]

Essentially precision navigation in a box

Should have no problem finding Neiman Marcus!!

 

[pkober]

I knew a dork in college who claimed to be a Navy reserve EA-6B nfo.

When I asked why he didn't go to drill he claimed that he only went once a year for two weeks to do all his flying. He said he was a LT but the rank he showed me was for a Cmdr. He claimed that reservists used a different rank structure and insignia. I actually found his lies creative and funny.

 

[Scrapdog]

What does all that stuff mean? I mean...I get PAR, but the rest of that is gibberish...:0

(round dial baby.....)

Scrappy--does this mean anything to you? Maybe you can 'splain it to me....

Albie!! Who cares is really about all I got from his diatribe about the FMS. Thank god for airplanes where talking about the autopilot is a shot of weed in the bar and you've always got 5 stages when you need it...

 

[AlbieF15]

While the 727 is no Eagle, it demands to be flown and there ain't no pretty glass boxes on ours. If I could hold captain I'd probably stick with it for another 5 years. Alas...if I can't...I'll slide over to the French jet and have learn all these "funny words" I see whenever I see pilots sharing techniques.

Just got back from lovely 48 hours in AK on my own time. If I was 8 years younger and 2 back surgeries less expereinced--I'd have my total force App in place for those things up there already. Hope you are having a ball...

 

[LJDRVR]

Military posers are very easy to spot.

The worst are prior enlisted folks who somehow feel inadequate. I knew of a guy who told everyone how he flew C-5's in the AF. True, but he never mentioned he was an engineer.

I for one was always proud of my prior enlisted status. How many shoe-clerk SSgt's are flying for legacy carriers anyway?

 

[LeonPhelps]

I can't tell you...

...is the dead give away for a poser, especially with regards to the Special Operations World. When you meet someone, and they CONSISTENTLY keep dropping the whole, "I can't tell you..." bit, then that should raise the red flags.

Granted, even if you are legit, there are times when someone asks you a pointed question that you simply have to respond, "I hate to sound like "that guy", but I can't discuss that particular ________ " And in reality, if someone was legit, and continually talks about what they "can't talk about", then that is a personality defect, because it's never too hard to guide a discussion in a direction that keeps you from having to say stuff like that. I too have caught quite a few dudes lying about not only their "military pilot lives", but also the guys who claimed to be "special forces"...caught a guy pouring it on real thick to a bunch of ladies one time, but I didn't call him out...he looked like he could use all the help he could get...I just smiled and walked away. I figure kharma will catch up with him.

 

[Fedora]

Hey CHL! I had to laugh about your story going into Pax River. Navy test pilot school is there, not too many Marines except those in TPS.
I can appreciate the FMS debacle (flying MD-11's now), and just put 100 ft over the aproach end in to back up PAR's. Your #2 didn't have a clue!
I flew a Convair 880 conversion to a tanker at Pax for 8 years. Great place. Still live 14 miles upriver.
I've seen navigators logging their time as pilot time and others lying out of their teeth.
I flew EP-3 "spook" missions in the Navy and never once told anyone "I can't talk about that."
I just didn't talk about that stuff.
Yip, we've got to trade stories over a few cold ones, Amigo! Love your stuff, man!
Latest joke: How do you tell if there is a pilot in the room?
He'll tell you!

 

[Gunfighter]

Not true...Guard or Reserve folks go to a couple of places. Tucson, Kelly, Springfield (not anymore)..are there some I am missing?

Kelly trains a mix of active duty pilots, Guard and Reserve even though they are an ANG squadron. The mix of Active/Guard/Reserve at Luke and Kelly are similar. Tucson mostly trains pilots of other countries that purchased F-16s. The majority of Guard/Reserve pilots are trained at Luke, since that is the largest training base.

Also add McConnell to the list of former FTU bases along MacDill and Hill which were added earlier.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

I too have caught quite a few dudes lying about not only their "military pilot lives", but also the guys who claimed to be "special forces"

I have been lurking on this thread to see if anyone brought this up. My boss was an Army Hawk guy but he always brags that he was a Ranger as well. I have verified his helo service but can't seem to verify the Ranger gig. He also left the Army after 17 years. One of my cohorts is a Seal washout (and readily admits it) also thinks the guy is full of manure. I want to challenge the guy but don't want to make it obvious since it could be a CLM.

 

[bell47]

I get the " I can't talk about it" alot. He claims he was flying combat in Iraq, and ejected once but couldn't talk about it. I just go along with it, but it really hacks me off to be lied to. He claimes he went to the AF academy, at some point was an avionics tech, flew f-16's, and owns his own business, but flies freight just because it's so much fun.

 

[AlbieF15]

Military posers are very easy to spot.

The worst are prior enlisted folks who somehow feel inadequate. I knew of a guy who told everyone how he flew C-5's in the AF. True, but he never mentioned he was an engineer.

I for one was always proud of my prior enlisted status. How many shoe-clerk SSgt's are flying for legacy carriers anyway?

How many freakin' ex-fighter, tanker, or heavy guys have I flown with? Tons! I've heard many similiar stories over and over. I'm a lot more interested in hearing the perspective of a guy like you because you've seen a side of life and had experiences from a different angle. There is a LOT there to be proud of, and you can certainly be a role model to a lot of different people.

We got a few "genuine" former enlisted Bad-a$$s at FedEx, and I've flown with couple of them. One guy ran around Afgahnistan as a SF guy...very low key about it but when you ask HIM he'll share some of the stuff he did. Typically--he is very deferential to his other soldiers and points out SF is supposed to teach, inform, and sneak...not single handedly play Rambo. Yeah--he CAN fight, and has been in firefights--but that wasn't his main job. The other guy (now somewhat famous at the company) had a knife pulled on him a a local gas station. He asked the guy nicely to leave him alone and reportedly said "I dont' think this is going to work out the way you want it to..." The guy advanced on the pilot who then disarmed him, broke his arm, kicked him in the head several times, apparently crushing his eye socket. He then waited calmly until the police and paramedics came to take him to the hospital, while in the meantime the formerly "unaware" clerk at the gas station is now freaking completely out at the scene of blood and chaos. So--GA doesn't tell many stories--but when he speaks dudes will listen.

 

[BiffF15]

I don't know why my thread didn't show up but how do tell if someone is lying about being an f16 pilot. I figured this guy either washed out of training or never flew them at all. Any Ideas? Impersonating a veteran is simply awful and I would like to show this bozo's true colors.

Here is how you figure out if he is lying. Just ask him what it felt like on assignment night to get his second choice? If his reply falls between happiness to indifference he is lying. If he gets pissed he really is a Viper guy.

I just couldn't resist that one. It was a slow floater chest high right over the plate...

 

[Zulu]

My boss was an Army Hawk guy but he always brags that he was a Ranger as well. I have verified his helo service but can't seem to verify the Ranger gig.

It's possible. A soldier can call himself a Ranger if he's a graduate of Ranger school, even if he never served in one of the Ranger Regiments. Lots of Army officers go to Ranger school. Virtually every Infantry officer I've met above the rank of Lt. has a Ranger tab, along with quite a few Armor and Arty officers. I can't say that I remember meeting any aviators with the tab, but my experience was limited.

Z

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

OK. Thanks Z. The guy always brags about it and it just made me suspicious.

 

[Gunfighter]

I just couldn't resist that one. It was a slow floater chest high right over the plate...

And that's all that will be left for the legacy fighter. The easy targets. The most combat effective use of two engines? A two ship of Vipers. (Until they become a legacy airframe.)

 

[Gorilla]

There was a dude I drank with in Mexico who ran a BBQ joint. He was about the right age for being a Viet-Nam vet, and ultimately the stories turned towards his SEA experiences as a "SEAL Assassin" and how he was tasked with kidnapping or snuffing VC leadership. He'd get this intense, 1,000 yard stare while describing the "faces of his victims. god, how they haunt me." I'm thinking "what an incredible steaming pile." Then he takes his shirt off, and there are no kidding about three scarred, severe wounds that did in fact look like bullet hits.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Later, I did find out he was never a SEAL, and he was a chronic liar. The odd thing is, I genuinely believe he fought in and was wounded in Viet Nam, only as a regular grunt. He didn't need to make up B.S. stories to impress me, I would have bought any SEA combat vet a beer.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Duly noted! We usually stay "down river" on the point but now that there is a new Hampton Inn across from the gate we may start staying there.

Hey, PM me when you get a chance. I have spotted some good fishing spots on the base and I want some intel. Catch and release of course.

Hey CHL! I had to laugh about your story going into Pax River. Navy test pilot school is there, not too many Marines except those in TPS.
I can appreciate the FMS debacle (flying MD-11's now), and just put 100 ft over the aproach end in to back up PAR's. Your #2 didn't have a clue!
I flew a Convair 880 conversion to a tanker at Pax for 8 years. Great place. Still live 14 miles upriver.
I've seen navigators logging their time as pilot time and others lying out of their teeth.
I flew EP-3 "spook" missions in the Navy and never once told anyone "I can't talk about that."
I just didn't talk about that stuff.
Yip, we've got to trade stories over a few cold ones, Amigo! Love your stuff, man!
Latest joke: How do you tell if there is a pilot in the room?
He'll tell you!

 

[BiffF15]

And that's all that will be left for the legacy fighter. The easy targets. The most combat effective use of two engines? A two ship of Vipers. (Until they become a legacy airframe.)

Actually the most combat effective use of two engines is a F15E. (F22 left out due to generational gap).

Let's see:

A. 1 Mud Hen carries as much ordinance as a 4 (FOUR) ship of Vipers, and can go further without a tanker there by reducing the complexity / planning / aircraft numbers required for a strike. Plus a better radar and still carrying 4 or more missiles.

B. Legacy fighters hmmh... I'm still flying an A model F15 built in 1975 (first production was 73). So do you think the USAF / taxpayer got their monies worth? Where are the A model F16's? This point could be expanded greatly...

C. Legacy is actually a good way to look at it. It's kill ratio is 104 to ZERO. When the F16 / F22 / F35 has been flying for 30+ years lets see where they stand (and I mean a particular airplane, not just the same type).

D. Another part of it's legacy was Gulf War 2. How many combat sorties did the Iraqi's fly?
ZERO. Mission accomplished with out firing a shot.

MacAir didn't do too bad with two fighters built that served over 30 years each. How many other US manufacturers can say that?

Another slow floater now over the fence...