satpak77
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If he fails a 3rd time....maybe riding with a Fed isn't his biggest problem. Time to reconsider the Big Picture. Maybe this flying passenger for money thing isn't for him. Failing a type rating for the same airplane twice should raise flags. I wouldn't want to be his passenger if the crap ever hit the fan.Ok, hangar talk today about a guy at our airport who has failed his type ride for a corporate jet two times, and is about to go for attempt #3.
It came up that if he fails, the FAA will flag his file and require him to fly with a fed.
true/false? Official source of info to back it up?
Section 1 Conduct a Reexamination Test of an Airman Under Title 49 of the United States Code
5-1416 PROGRAM TRACKING AND REPORTING SUBSYSTEM (PTRS) ACTIVITY CODE. 1534.
5-1417 OBJECTIVE. The objective of this task is to determine if an airman is qualified to exercise the privileges of a particular airman certificate or rating. Completion of this task results in either no action taken against the airman’s certificate or rating, or initiation of an enforcement investigation.
5-1418 GENERAL.
A. Authority. Under Title 49 of the United States Code (49 U.S.C.) section 44709 (formerly section 609 of the Federal Aviation Act (FA Act) of 1958), the Administrator is authorized to reexamine any airman at any time. Reexamination of an airman does not hinder the taking of punitive enforcement action when appropriate. When an airman fails to comply with a request for reexamination, section 44709 provides legal procedures to be followed to enforce reinspection or reexamination. Detailed information on the enforcement aspects is found in Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Order 2150.3, Compliance and Enforcement Program.
B. Basis for Reexamination. The reexamination of an airman on the basis of lack of competency is never to be undertaken lightly. There must be ample or probable cause for requesting the reexamination. In most cases a reexamination will result from the inspector’s investigation of an accident or incident where the pilot’s competence was the apparent cause of the occurrence.
5-1419 BASIS OF REEXAMINATION TEST. When an inspector has sufficient reason to believe that an airman may not be qualified to exercise the privileges of a particular certificate or rating, a reexamination may be required. The inspector reaches this conclusion either through reliable reports, personal knowledge, or on the basis of evidence obtained through an accident, incident, or enforcement investigation.
d. Unsuccessful Reexamination or Reinspection. If the certificate holder submits to
reexamination or reinspection and does not establish qualifications, and does not voluntarily
surrender that certificate or rating for cancellation, FAA enforcement personnel follow the
procedures in chapter 5, subparagraph 6.d.(1)-(3).
(1) The FAA investigative personnel or office with medical responsibility prepares an
EIR, recommending revocation of the certificate or rating. This generally is on an emergency
basis, unless an order suspending the certificate or rating is already in effect and the FAA holds
the certificate.
(2) The EIR is assigned a new report number. Any companion report number that was
assigned to an earlier EIR in connection with certificate suspension is stated in the related
number block. If revocation action is taken against only part of the certificate, such as a single
rating, for example, the appropriate FAA investigative personnel or office with medical
responsibility issues the necessary temporary certificate or new certificate with the remaining
privileges. FAA investigative personnel include evidence of the failure to demonstrate
qualifications as an item of proof in the EIR. For airman medical cases only, the EIR prepared
by the office with medical responsibility need only consist of section A (FAA Form 2150-5) and
supporting documentation listed in chapter 5, subparagraph 6.c.(2).
(3) The FAA does not allow an airman who has not demonstrated qualifications to try
repeatedly to prove qualification. Generally, if the airman has twice submitted to reexamination
and has twice failed, the certificate or rating is revoked. The opportunity for a second
reexamination is allowed when the airman voluntarily places his or her certificate on deposit
with the FAA following the first failure while the certificate holder prepares for the second
attempt.
If he fails a 3rd time....maybe riding with a Fed isn't his biggest problem. Time to reconsider the Big Picture. Maybe this flying passenger for money thing isn't for him. Failing a type rating for the same airplane twice should raise flags. I wouldn't want to be his passenger if the crap ever hit the fan.
Your right. He should take a job flying frieght instead. He's to dangerous to fly people around.
Cancelled checks don't have families.
My original reply was based on the fact that he is flying passengers and may be unsafe. If he was flying freight and was failing type ride after type ride I would suggest the same thing. Maybe this ain't the career for him. Didn't mean to suggest that freight pilots are not important.A rather asinine statement, to say the least. You mean to say what, exactly?
A pilot who lacks competence won't hurt as many people by failing at the controls, if he's flying freight? You're discounting all the people on the ground beneath...the other crewmember with whom he flies?
If he's not competent he can still fly, just not passengers? What exactly are you suggesting?