Fact or fiction, Delta hiring ASA F/O's?

[goahead]

CAL has hired our fo's also FWIW

 

[ACL65PILOT]

There have been a bunch of ASA FO's hired there. They all met the mins at DAL. They all passed the same interview we did, and all are amazing pilots. Am I jealous that a 27 year old got on with 1/3 the time that I did? Yes. But I am glad that it went to some pilots that truly deserve it. They are humble, great pilots, and know there place a lot better than most of us will.
Connections are important. If you are a Legacy or part of WIA, you have a better than average chance. That does not mean that all will make it. They have turned down plenty from both groups. You have to hit the bar to make it. It is something that no one in the hiring dept. can bend. Not eve Jon. It was designed that way.

 

[FixNFly]

I've also heard guys complaining in the crew lounge that they've been rejected because "they abused the company sick policy by calling in too much". What "too much" is I don't know but it's pretty funny considering how much the DL pilot group takes advantage of their own policy.

 

[EatinRamen]

Is there a way for Delta to find out how many times you've been absent at your previous job? What if they've all been legit illnesses? FAR's say you shouldn't fly sick. Plain and simple.

 

[FUZZO]

do you have all your doctor's notes for these legitimate reasons? also, ASA is right across the street from Delta, how much info do you think they can find out about you? just things to think about when the question comes up in the interview. generally, be honest in the interview about your absences. best of luck to you.

 

[Apache 5]

notch another one up for getting on with Delta- it doesnt hurt being daddy's little girl when daddy is a career Delta guy....and, oh yeah, she has a buttload of right seat corporate experience which I am sure they were quite impressed with....


on CAL, couple of guys have told me that they are hiring the way they are to try and build an easy, or pliable pilot group- if they bring on former interns and others with no pic time, these people arent jumping ship to WN or FEDEX or anywhere else if/when things go bad in contract '08 or any merger...they'll be hanging on till the doors close or the furlough slip is in the mail....

just doesnt seem right, but it is who you know...and I dont know anyone!!!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

With the sick policy at DAL. You sign a release for your former employer to release that info. It is a big deal... It is one of six criteria that they grade you on.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

With the sick policy at DAL. You sign a release for your former employer to release that info. It is a big deal... It is one of six criteria that they grade you on.

 

[737 Pylt]

nope. Not going to get one. I have absolutly no desire to work at Delta mainline..

Good thing you have your management job at ASA, jackass!


737

 

[larrivee]

So not one male w/o pic time has been hired/interviewed?... Anyone know of one?....

 

[Sinca3]

With the sick policy at DAL. You sign a release for your former employer to release that info. It is a big deal... It is one of six criteria that they grade you on.

Is this true? I haven´t had heard this from any of my friends that have been hired so far. I was thinking the only thing a previous employer could say was if they would rehire you or not....or something to that effect.
I have heard that an interviewee was denied employement b/c of his occurences at ASA. I would think there are plenty of pilots at ALL airlines that call in sick, only ASA has an occurence policy that bites you in the ass if you try and go elsewhere. Which seems odd b/c the word is ASA management is telling reccurent classes that they don´t want anyone here with more than 6 yrs senority. Kindof a "catch 22" on there part it seems......but then again we are talking about ASA and our great leaders!

 

[FUZZO]

If there are any negative items in your file at ASA they will be released to whoever you interview with. In the case of sick calls, you don't have anything to worry about if everything is legitimate. Delta seems to be looking for guys who abuse the ability to call in sick. There are guys who have been hired on here who have had lots of sick calls, but they filed for FMLA when it occured or included doctor's notes when they came for the interview. Remember, ASA is right across the street from Delta, the facts will be checked. Good luck.

 

[John Pennekamp]

If there are any negative items in your file at ASA they will be released to whoever you interview with. In the case of sick calls, you don't have anything to worry about if everything is legitimate. Delta seems to be looking for guys who abuse the ability to call in sick. There are guys who have been hired on here who have had lots of sick calls, but they filed for FMLA when it occured or included doctor's notes when they came for the interview. Remember, ASA is right across the street from Delta, the facts will be checked. Good luck.

That's not entirely true.

The "occurance file" is kept in the chief pilot's secretary's office and is not part of your "personnel file" which is at the GO. This is the file that is sent, not the CP file. The PRIA stipulates that certain records, such as training, drug testing, and discipline record must be released. If too many occurances results in discipline (ie a suspension) then it's sent to the GO. Otherwise, ASA does not pass these records on.

Furthermore, just because ASA is "across the street", it doesn't relieve ASA's liability should you be turned down for a job because they provided information not required by the PRIA. Pilots have every right to sue is this occured, and would probably own ASA.

A possible way around it is if Delta requires applicants to sign a waiver compelling ASA to provide the records, which is occurring. This could be construed as a contract signed under duress. Someone who isn't hired and told it's due to a poor attendance record provided by ASA should challenge this in court.

 

[Tomct]

That's not entirely true.

The "occurance file" is kept in the chief pilot's secretary's office and is not part of your "personnel file" which is at the GO. This is the file that is sent, not the CP file. The PRIA stipulates that certain records, such as training, drug testing, and discipline record must be released. If too many occurances results in discipline (ie a suspension) then it's sent to the GO. Otherwise, ASA does not pass these records on.

Furthermore, just because ASA is "across the street", it doesn't relieve ASA's liability should you be turned down for a job because they provided information not required by the PRIA. Pilots have every right to sue is this occured, and would probably own ASA.

A possible way around it is if Delta requires applicants to sign a waiver compelling ASA to provide the records, which is occurring. This could be construed as a contract signed under duress. Someone who isn't hired and told it's due to a poor attendance record provided by ASA should challenge this in court.

Yeah, good luck on Delta "...telling you that you did not make it due to your attendance..." They have attorneys as well!

 

[CFI2766]

So not one male w/o pic time has been hired/interviewed?... Anyone know of one?....

Even if the above statement is true, it is irrelevant. I suspect it would be an extremely difficult discrimination case to win. Probably more importantly, if you really want to work for Delta, being the guy to openly question why your lack of estrogen placed you in a different category of applicants that happened to require significantly more experience and qualifications would not be a positive influence in the hiring process.

As a white, educated male, you are now the most discriminated against demographic group in the country.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I had to sign a waiver in the interview to release all attendance files. I'm not sure what Pinnacle sent. I had about 1 sick call a year from my time at Pinnacle- all of which I brough excuses for.

 

[Cardenal]

Even if the above statement is true, it is irrelevant. I suspect it would be an extremely difficult discrimination case to win. Probably more importantly, if you really want to work for Delta, being the guy to openly question why your lack of estrogen placed you in a different category of applicants that happened to require significantly more experience and qualifications would not be a positive influence in the hiring process.

As a white, educated male, you are now the most discriminated against demographic group in the country.

"As a white, educated male, you are now the most discriminated against demographic group in the country."

Good grief man....you sound just like those college kids on the RV in "Borat".

 

[FUZZO]

That's not entirely true.

The "occurance file" is kept in the chief pilot's secretary's office and is not part of your "personnel file" which is at the GO. This is the file that is sent, not the CP file. The PRIA stipulates that certain records, such as training, drug testing, and discipline record must be released. If too many occurances results in discipline (ie a suspension) then it's sent to the GO. Otherwise, ASA does not pass these records on.

Furthermore, just because ASA is "across the street", it doesn't relieve ASA's liability should you be turned down for a job because they provided information not required by the PRIA. Pilots have every right to sue is this occured, and would probably own ASA.

A possible way around it is if Delta requires applicants to sign a waiver compelling ASA to provide the records, which is occurring. This could be construed as a contract signed under duress. Someone who isn't hired and told it's due to a poor attendance record provided by ASA should challenge this in court.

john,

that is why they do the testing--its a legal way out.

 

[CFI2766]

"As a white, educated male, you are now the most discriminated against demographic group in the country."

Good grief man....you sound just like those college kids on the RV in "Borat".

Haven't seen the movie. (In fact, haven't been able to do a whole lot of anything recreational lately. Not a lot of slack for a recreational budget as a first year FO. [Yup, I knew this going in.])

Do not misunderstand me: I'm not making excuses for my place in the aviation career or bemoaning this aforementioned incontrovertible fact. It simply is.

There are a lot of organizations and movements out there to 'right' some wrong of the past, perceived or not. It's my opinion that you can not retroactively correct an injustice without creating another one. Devils advocate time: If I'm someday responsible for making hiring decisions for an organization, how will the preferential treatment given over me to (women, minorities, possessors of non-standard sexual orientation, etc.) influence my hiring practices? [If I am indeed ever placed in that position, I personally would select applicants that are the best for the job, based solely on merit.]

 

[Cardenal]

Haven't seen the movie. (In fact, haven't been able to do a whole lot of anything recreational lately. Not a lot of slack for a recreational budget as a first year FO. [Yup, I knew this going in.])

Do not misunderstand me: I'm not making excuses for my place in the aviation career or bemoaning this aforementioned incontrovertible fact. It simply is.

There are a lot of organizations and movements out there to 'right' some wrong of the past, perceived or not. It's my opinion that you can not retroactively correct an injustice without creating another one. Devils advocate time: If I'm someday responsible for making hiring decisions for an organization, how will the preferential treatment given over me to (women, minorities, possessors of non-standard sexual orientation, etc.) influence my hiring practices? [If I am indeed ever placed in that position, I personally would select applicants that are the best for the job, based solely on merit.]

very thoughtful post. thank you.

the movie, by the way, is brilliant...check it out when you get a chance. brilliant but retarded. all at once. i know it sounds weird but it is funny.