FAA F/A License

[FracCapt]

Great. Now we can't bit*h about bad service.

Sure ya can. Not every pilot carries a gun...not every FA would either....choose wisely.

 

[Resume Writer]

I have a feeling the reason why AFA lobbied this was one more step toward getting rest requirements. I don't think there are any rest requirements, except if they are in a contract. Even then, some of the scheduling is driven by the pilots.

It might not seem like it would be a job that would make you tired, but pushing those carts around (on the 757 they weigh about 200 pounds) on a short hop from PHX to LAS, gets tiring. Also, being "happy" all day with passengers does get exhausting. I used to come home from my trips, after giving a "cocktail party" to 1500 of my closest friends every weekend, and not want to go out anywhere that people were congregating.

Just my two cents...

Kathy

 

[qmaster3]

Sure ya can. Not every pilot carries a gun...not every FA would either....choose wisely.

I don't gamble.

Seriously Kathy qmaster3 isn't a pest of a passenger. An F/A buddy of mine had an obnoxious passenger complaining that the alcohol was gone. He told the guy he needed to sit, because he wasn't creating a "happy cabin atmosphere". Have a good one.

 

[JAFI]

One more thing to think about:

In the past with no F/A certificate all violations were against the company. With a certificate of your very own the violation is against you. So keep those manuals up to date and do not leave the aircraft with pax on board to get a mocca latte.

JAFI

 

[lowlycfi]

I have a feeling the reason why AFA lobbied this was one more step toward getting rest requirements. I don't think there are any rest requirements, except if they are in a contract.

We do have duty and rest regs. Just parts are quoted here:
§ 121.467 Flight attendant duty period limitations and rest requirements: Domestic, flag, and supplemental operations.

(1) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(4), (b)(5), and (b)(6) of this section, no certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations may assign a flight attendant to a scheduled duty period of more than 14 hours.

(2) Except as provided in paragraph (b)(3) of this section, a flight attendant scheduled to a duty period of 14 hours or less as provided under paragraph (b)(1) of this section must be given a scheduled rest period of at least 9 consecutive hours. This rest period must occur between the completion of the scheduled duty period and the commencement of the subsequent duty period.

(3) The rest period required under paragraph (b)(2) of this section may be scheduled or reduced to 8 consecutive hours if the flight attendant is provided a subsequent rest period of at least 10 consecutive hours; this subsequent rest period must be scheduled to begin no later than 24 hours after the beginning of the reduced rest period and must occur between the completion of the scheduled duty period and the commencement of the subsequent duty period.

(4) A certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations may assign a flight attendant to a scheduled duty period of more than 14 hours, but no more than 16 hours, if the certificate holder has assigned to the flight or flights in that duty period at least one flight attendant in addition to the minimum flight attendant complement required for the flight or flights in that duty period under the certificate holder's operations specifications.

(5) A certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations may assign a flight attendant to a scheduled duty period of more than 16 hours, but no more than 18 hours, if the certificate holder has assigned to the flight or flights in that duty period at least two flight attendants in addition to the minimum flight attendant complement required for the flight or flights in that duty period under the certificate holder's operations specifications.

(6) A certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations may assign a flight attendant to a scheduled duty period of more than 18 hours, but no more than 20 hours, if the scheduled duty period includes one or more flights that land or take off outside the 48 contiguous states and the District of Columbia, and if the certificate holder has assigned to the flight or flights in that duty period at least three flight attendants in addition to the minimum flight attendant complement required for the flight or flights in that duty period under the domestic certificate holder's operations specifications.

(7) Except as provided in paragraph (b)(8) of this section, a flight attendant scheduled to a duty period of more than 14 hours but no more than 20 hours, as provided in paragraphs (b)(4), (b)(5), and (b)(6) of this section, must be given a scheduled rest period of at least 12 consecutive hours. This rest period must occur between the completion of the scheduled duty period and the commencement of the subsequent duty period.

(8) The rest period required under paragraph (b)(7) of this section may be scheduled or reduced to 10 consecutive hours if the flight attendant is provided a subsequent rest period of at least 14 consecutive hours; this subsequent rest period must be scheduled to begin no later than 24 hours after the beginning of the reduced rest period and must occur between the completion of the scheduled duty period and the commencement of the subsequent duty period.

(9) Notwithstanding paragraphs (b)(4), (b)(5), and (b)(6) of this section, if a certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations elects to reduce the rest period to 10 hours as authorized by paragraph (b)(8) of this section, the certificate holder may not schedule a flight attendant for a duty period of more than 14 hours during the 24-hour period commencing after the beginning of the reduced rest period.

(10) No certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations may assign a flight attendant any duty period with the certificate holder unless the flight attendant has had at least the minimum rest required under this section.

(11) No certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations may assign a flight attendant to perform any duty with the certificate holder during any required rest period.

(12) Time spent in transportation, not local in character, that a certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations requires of a flight attendant and provides to transport the flight attendant to an airport at which that flight attendant is to serve on a flight as a crewmember, or from an airport at which the flight attendant was relieved from duty to return to the flight attendant's home station, is not considered part of a rest period.

(13) Each certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations must relieve each flight attendant engaged in air transportation and each commercial operator must relieve each flight attendant engaged in air commerce from all further duty for at least 24 consecutive hours during any 7 consecutive calendar days.

(14) A flight attendant is not considered to be scheduled for duty in excess of duty period limitations if the flights to which the flight attendant is assigned are scheduled and normally terminate within the limitations but due to circumstances beyond the control of the certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations (such as adverse weather conditions) are not at the time of departure expected to reach their destination within the scheduled time.

 

[lowlycfi]

One more thing to think about:

In the past with no F/A certificate all violations were against the company. With a certificate of your very own the violation is against you. So keep those manuals up to date and do not leave the aircraft with pax on board to get a mocca latte.

JAFI

Not true. I know first hand of two F/As who paid fines due to manuals not being up to date. Manual violations were against the F/A and any violations on the a/c (equipment missing, broken, etc.) were against the company.

 

[8vATE]

This "F/A Certification" thing has been bouncing around for years...

There has been various "takes" on it...

From trying to elevate the pay, stature, rest rules and other "airman certificated" perks (jumpseats) and some company specific items... (some companys throw stock options at "airmen certificated" employees...)


As one guy mentioned... there was some heavy talk of it a few years ago.... then the FAA was going to say ok .. but you all need physicals... and then things got real quiet for a while..

But now its back.... and done....

Everyone hear we're getting photos on the pilot certificates soon?

 

[JAFI]

Not true. I know first hand of two F/As who paid fines due to manuals not being up to date. Manual violations were against the F/A and any violations on the a/c (equipment missing, broken, etc.) were against the company.

There are exceptions. Mostly the fine was against the company.

JAFI