expunge driving record

[tach32]

Has anyone ever expunged their driving record? I hove no violations other than speeding tickets and they are all at least three years old or older. I live in Florida and the DMV seems to know nothing about expungement. Thanks for your help.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

be very careful with the "expunged" thing. It does not work.

Just tell the truth, rather admit to a few tickets YEARS ago then lie, get caught, and say "no it was expunged!!!".......see ya.....

seen it happen.

 

[chuychanga]

Actually, the pilot recruiter/interviewer at a very prominent regional airline just told our whole group that we could and should expunge our records. Some states will let you and some won't. Whatever the results are, get a copy of your state driving record afterwards and make sure that your story agrees with it. That is the same record they look at.

An interseting note, most airlines are asking for a 10 year driving history, but in Texas your driving record only goes back 5 years. Anything older than 5 years might as well have never happened.

 

[Snoopy58]

This discussion has been had a while back on another thread, that one specific to SWA, but the same principles apply:

DO NOT LIE ON AN APP. EVER!

If you do, you can be fired if the company finds out about it, and you'll always have it hanging over your head. Also,

DO NOT BET YOUR CAREER ON INTERNET ADVICE ABOUT WHAT TICKETS "DISAPPEARED" FROM YOUR RECORD.

Tickets that don't show up in one place may be on another record somewhere else. I'm no expert on all the ins & outs of how & where tickets get recorded, but it's moderately complex. Don't bet your career on what somebody claims can't be seen any longer!

Finally,

A FEW SPEEDING TICKETS FROM A WHILE BACK WILL NOT KILL YOU.

Airline pilots aren't perfect people, we all have a ticket or 3 or 6 in our past, and if you tell me that you're a pilot who has never had a ticket, my first reaction is to doubt you. If, on the other hand, you admit to a couple tickets, but nothing outrageous (like a string of recent tickets, or a trend that says "reckless"), that's fine. Better to admit to a ticket 6 years ago that doesn't show up in your record, than to deny a ticket that they do find. SPEEDING IS MINOR, INTEGRITY IS HUGE. A few tickets won't cost you a job most places; evidence of lying on the app will cost you the job about everywhere.

Please, gang, don't put a job at risk over this issue... it simply isn't worth it!

 

[firstthird]

Snoopy58,
agreed. good post.

Back when the airlines were hiring gang-busters (1999 - 2000) one of the guys in my squadron interviewed at one of the big 3 major airilnes. He had had a FL drivers license since he was 16 and since FL is a state that keeps everything on there forever, his list of tickets was 3 or 4 pages long. So, not a good thing. The first question he got from the pilot interviewers was, so, what kind of car do you drive? He said a honda civic (or some other small, not so fast car) The interviewers were like, oh, we thought you must have a corvette or something with all these tickets. (since they had the same FL drivers history he had seen when he ordered it on himself). So they asked him what he had to say about all those tickets. He answered that when he was younger he thought he was indestructable, etc, but he knows better now and learned a valuable lesson from it all. So the interviewer looks down and says, but I see your last ticket was a year ago, my squadron buddy comes right back, well I learned really recently.

He got hired and worked there until his furlough and will go back I'm sure. Point is, he had a really crappy record (no DUIs or reckless, but just lots of tickets) and he handled it correctly with the "I learned this and that" answer and a little bit of humor (which wasn't rehearsed just came out and probably was a gamble) but he got hired. If he had tried to "expunge" his record and then got caught out in a lie, bam (to quote Emeril), he would have been done.

Honesty is the best policy on this background stuff.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

REPEAT:

(listen up)

things dont disappear these days
expunged is a joke.

If you get caught lying - you might as well pack your bags.


Is it worth it for a few speeding tix??

you decide.

PS- Dont trust a dip$hit recruiter with your career...and please, WTF is a "very prominent" regional?????

 

[C150Commuter]

If you get something expunged or sealed....you can legally say no to the questions about whether you have offenses. They can't fire you for lying when you have done nothing wrong, you would just have to explain the situation to them.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

yeah. try that answer.

oh, by the way...what else are you lying about??




"but sir, legally I was told I can lie about this question"

 

[tach32]

Expunging a record is just sealing old stuff. There is only certain things/violations that may be expunged. In my case I have had 5 speeding tickets from the age of 16 to 19. I am now 25 and every interview I have been to the recruiter squint their noses at me. I have not lied about my previous offenses nor will I in the future, I just don't want them looking at my 10 year history and saying wow. If on the application they request specific information and dates of violations I will be happy to provide the info. Now, if I have to bring a copy of my driving record, I would rather it be expunged and nothing revealed and explain to them what I had done. Florida is a state that keeps everything on record for your whole life. I hope this makes sense. I am not attempting to cheat the system just beat it if I can.

 

[Mevans]

As an attorney licensed in Flroda who has dealt with this issue, perhaps I can add to the discussion. There are two issues, 1) "sealing", which is making the file unable to be viewed without a Court Order, and 2) expungement. Florida has a statute which deals with this. There are several requirements for expungment , the first is you may only expunge those matters for which there was no judgement of guilty. If you got a speeding ticket when you were 21 and sent the fine in with the envelop, the clerk would have stamped that as guilty and you may not get that expunged. There are also particular crimes that may not be expunged, (DUI). Lastly and most importantly, while the statute in particular states you may answer "no" to a questions about convictions when an item has been expunged, that only refers to whether or not you are violating a Florida statute by answering "no". I have seen job apps. that asked for number of times you were arrested, instead of convicted. If you had a matter expunged, and answered "no" if I asked you if you had ever been arrested, I would consider that lying. There is also the issue, that once a record is put in a state's criminal database, it is difficult to get it out. I did several expungements, years ago, and then several years later, had a criminal history run, and each matter that I had expungeed still showed on a records search. As mentioned above, it is easier to explain why you have matured since your driving record, than get caught and try and explain why you were technically telling the truth when you tried to hide something from a future employer.

 

[wahoo250]

what about if a ticket was written but was brought to trial and a motion of suppression was successful. DWI charge

 

[Mevans]

If the DUI was dismissed after the succesful suppresion hearing, that will show up on an NCIC as a DUI arrest. Technically, in Florida , you could get that expunged since it is not a conviction, however, I think your chances of getting it removed from the system sufficiently enough so that it would not show if someone "ran your record" are slim. NCIC is a database once info is in there, it is next to impossible to get it out.

That will be a dollar.

Mevans

 

[wahoo250]

who cares if the verdict was not guilty. officers can charge you with anything they want but if your not guilty your not guilty.

 

[wahoo250]

this also was not florida