Expressjet

[samballs]

Does anyone know what happened to the 2 pilots a couple of years ago, who took off from CVG - IAH with ice covered wings. LAst I heared capts license went bye bye and flt att fired, what about FO?

 

[Prop Trash]

Urban legend. Leave it at that. Please.

 

[samballs]

Urban legend. Leave it at that. Please.

No there were 3 comair pilots and another pilot onboard and thats how they got caught when they used up all of i believe 18L

 

[007]

funny how sensational some things become over time. Now there were 4 pilots oboard and everyone was fired.

 

[samballs]

funny how sensational some things become over time. Now there were 4 pilots oboard and everyone was fired.

Are you an idiot they were in the back going to IAH then down to Honduras to do work for their church. they are the 4 who reported the pilots, one of them is a sim instructor at OH and he will tell the story everytime I get him for sims he's just not sure what the final outcome was. and technically that would make 6 pilots but 2 of which I'm sure are no longer. If you need more about this, the XJT mec talked to the OH mec and asked why they reported this when they were jumpseating. The OH mec was able to some how figure out the 4 pilots names off the passenger list (should not be able to do but did) and asked the 4 pilots why they didn't come to the union first. Well one thing Fatty JC didn't realize was that they purshased their tickets so they told him to F-off and didn't talk to him.

 

[Britpilot]

Captain was down graded to FO for a year and has since returned to the left seat. Not sure what happened to the FO.

 

[samballs]

Captain was down graded to FO for a year and has since returned to the left seat. Not sure what happened to the FO.

Thank You, was just curious.

 

[Superpilot92]

FO is still here as far as i know, they came into our class afterwards to discuss the event. The union was not happy that the comair pilots went to the FAA first instead of going to Prostandards. Never the less this happened 2 years ago why do you bring it up know?

 

[Ifly4money]

The pilots tried to get the FA to stop them from taking off. If the pilots were stupid enough to take-off with a contaminated wing they deserve everything they got and more. I heard the story first hand from the guy that stoodup in the aisle as they entered the runway and he said they rotated with less than 1500' of a 12000' runway remaining. This leads me to beleive the pilots were stupid and used a poor decision making process. At some point in a take-off roll you must know something is wrong and the machine don't want to fly.

 

[check6]

I've heard Xpress Jet has blown through prohibited airspace a couple of times over DC.

 

[samballs]

The pilots tried to get the FA to stop them from taking off. If the pilots were stupid enough to take-off with a contaminated wing they deserve everything they got and more. I heard the story first hand from the guy that stoodup in the aisle as they entered the runway and he said they rotated with less than 1500' of a 12000' runway remaining. This leads me to beleive the pilots were stupid and used a poor decision making process. At some point in a take-off roll you must know something is wrong and the machine don't want to fly.

Its scary that these 2 are still flying. I understand a second chance after a mistake but this was not a mistake it was these 2 pilots being f-ups

 

[Ifly4money]

Agreed!

 

[Truckdriver]

I've heard Xpress Jet has blown through prohibited airspace a couple of times over DC.

More than a couple.

 

[BankAccount=0$]

Wouldn't it be fair to say that we should all try and learn from the dumb/ unfortunate mistakes our fellow aviators make in an effort to not let the same thing happen to us. Things like the PCL "410 it dude" accident, to the CMR LEX crash, to any number of daily f-up's at whatever airline happens to be painted next to your main cabin door should be learned from, not dragged all over the internet for anyone to see. I mean if we want to be treated (read as compensated) as professionals then perhaps we should worry more about doing a good and safe job operating our aircraft, and leave the discussion of who screwed up to the feds, and the company where the mistake was made. Of course that would be a grown up thing to do, and just like mainline likes to remind us....we're just a bunch of kids................

 

[The Drizzle]

I've heard Xpress Jet has blown through prohibited airspace a couple of times over DC.

sh!t, who hasn't

 

[Superpilot92]

These guys made a bad decision outcome was fortunately safe. Why don't you grow up. I am sure everyone of us has done something we wish we would have done different. Your a tool for bringing this up 2 years later!

 

[Alchemy]

Comair taking shots at Expressjet's safety record?

Proverb of the day:

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[samballs]

Comair taking shots at Expressjet's safety record?

Proverb of the day:

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Not trying to take shots we screw up all the time. these two guys said ok we'll return to the gate if you sit down then as soon as he did they rolled on the runway and took off difference from making a mistake, not following regs, show boating, they said screw the ice. their defense was the ops manual does not specify where the ice has to be not to be able to take off. common sense says any ice equals no go...

 

[Superpilot92]

Not trying to take shots we screw up all the time. these two guys said ok we'll return to the gate if you sit down then as soon as he did they rolled on the runway and took off difference from making a mistake, not following regs, show boating, they said screw the ice. their defense was the ops manual does not specify where the ice has to be not to be able to take off. common sense says any ice equals no go...

Common Sense says don't throw rocks at pilots for making a mistake. Especially bringing it up 2 years later.

 

[Captain Overs]

Its scary that these 2 are still flying. I understand a second chance after a mistake but this was not a mistake it was these 2 pilots being f-ups

Since you don't understand the circumstances behind the incident I think you should not judge. Knowing the facts of the case, like I do, you sound like a bigger idiot each minute.

How long till you start making Comair comments and runway configurations?

 

[samballs]

Since you don't understand the circumstances behind the incident I think you should not judge. Knowing the facts of the case, like I do, you sound like a bigger idiot each minute.

How long till you start making Comair comments and runway configurations?

Well lets see they were told the wings were covered in ice 3 times. someone in the back made a disturbance twice just before takeoff and still took off using 98% of a long runway. Yep still think they should not be flying and yes we know the facts it got 2 cheif pilots at OH in trouble with the FAA for not reporing the problem when it was reported to them. He went to the company before he went to the FAA and WHen they didn't take action he took it further. It could of been kept quiet and no one would have got in trouble but the way they acted through out the flight and on the ground in IAH is what got them in trouble And yes still think these guys should not be flying. F&ck OFF.

 

[samballs]

How long till you start making Comair comments and runway configurations?[/quote]

I don't need to make comments about the crash we know they messed up and they payed the ultimate price, knew 2 of the 3 pretty good. The difference between the 2 events is one knew what could happen and the other made a mistake not knowing it until it was too late. Your starting to look bad trying to defend these two...

 

[Superpilot92]

Well lets see they were told the wings were covered in ice 3 times. someone in the back made a disturbance twice just before takeoff and still took off using 98% of a long runway. Yep still think they should not be flying and yes we know the facts it got 2 cheif pilots at OH in trouble with the FAA for not reporing the problem when it was reported to them. He went to the company before he went to the FAA and WHen they didn't take action he took it further. It could of been kept quit and no one would have got in trouble but the way they acted through out hte flight aqnd on the ground in IAH is what got them in trouble And yes still think these guys should not be flying. F&ck OFF.

Seriously You need to take a deep breath and relax. This event happened along time ago and you sirr seem to still be bent out of shape about it. Move on. Fly safe!!

 

[samballs]

Seriously You need to take a deep breath and relax. This event happened along time ago and you sirr seem to still be bent out of shape about it. Move on. Fly safe!!

Not bent at all as you can see when someone answered the question I said thanks all I wanted to know was wha happened to them. Now a couple of people are trying to argue that it wasn't bad and they made a little mistake, which is leading me to point to how it was not a mistake..

 

[Superpilot92]

Not bent at all as you can see when someone answered the question I said thanks all I wanted to know was wha happened to them. Now a couple of people are trying to argue that it wasn't bad and they made a little mistake, which is leading me to point to how it was not a mistake..

I dont think anyone is trying to make it out like a little mistake. In all honesty any mistake in our line of work isnt a little mistake. There isnt alot or room for mistakes flying airplanes. But like i said Fly safe, take care.:beer:

 

[Captain Overs]

Samballs,

I'm glad you have all the info on what happened, or at least you think you do. I happen to know what happened and am aware of the FAA involvement and you're still wrong about the chain of events and facts. As well as the resulting action taken against the crew. But what do I expect? This is flightinfo where people can spew anything they want without being held accountable. I don't blame you. I'm sure you've never made mistakes.

 

[samballs]

Samballs,

I'm glad you have all the info on what happened, or at least you think you do. I happen to know what happened and am aware of the FAA involvement and you're still wrong about the chain of events and facts. As well as the resulting action taken against the crew. But what do I expect? This is flightinfo where people can spew anything they want without being held accountable. I don't blame you. I'm sure you've never made mistakes.

must have been you, your name fits perfect once a capt now its over. I could spen a ll day typing the perfect story to make it make sense to you, but I won't. Instead I'll just say they warned they had ice on the wings a couple of times and still decided to take off. And dumb A$s I haven't said what happened to you and the FO I was asking what happened to them, got my answer and it was done, now your here trying to defend these 2 for something they should not have done even after they were told about it.

 

[ATRCA]

Well lets see they were told the wings were covered in ice 3 times. someone in the back made a disturbance twice just before takeoff and still took off using 98% of a long runway. Yep still think they should not be flying and yes we know the facts it got 2 cheif pilots at OH in trouble with the FAA for not reporing the problem when it was reported to them. He went to the company before he went to the FAA and WHen they didn't take action he took it further. It could of been kept quiet and no one would have got in trouble but the way they acted through out the flight and on the ground in IAH is what got them in trouble And yes still think these guys should not be flying. F&ck OFF.

Have anything better to do? Who gives a #uck? Happened a long time ago and no metal was bent.

 

[007]

Are you an idiot.

No, not really, sometimes, but not that often.

Since you know all and everyting about it, WHY in the living F*CK are you asking about it.

Another Monday Morning Quarterback.

 

[TGT]

Hey Samballs, did you have to sleep on the couch last night?