ExpressJet Managers heading to CVG?

[FDJ2]

Rumor has it that senior ExpressJet (Continental Express) managers (top 8 guys) were listed positive space to CVG on Monday.

Can anyone confirm that? If they did head off to CVG, is there any particular reason why ExpressJet would have that level of interest in CVG?

 

[surplus1]

Let's start a rumor. Express Jet would like to buy Comair from Delta. This is likely a precursor to Continental acquiring Delta itself.

 

[say again]

Rumor has it that senior ExpressJet (Continental Express) managers (top 8 guys) were listed positive space to CVG on Monday.

Can anyone confirm that? If they did head off to CVG, is there any particular reason why ExpressJet would have that level of interest in CVG?

It is better than CLE!!!

 

[DoinTime]

It is better than CLE!!!

And that still doesn't say much.

 

[say again]

And that still doesn't say much.

Very true!!

 

[General Lee]

Let's start a rumor. Express Jet would like to buy Comair from Delta. This is likely a precursor to Continental acquiring Delta itself.

Nah, I have heard NW will aquire DL eventually after everything is cleared up (lots of rumors here in ATL, not all good). You will then be a Pinnicle pilot. CAL and DL have a problem with a merger, and that is NYC---the two hubs and The Shuttle. That wouldn't float. Enjoy DTW. I can't wait to fly a DC-9 with no hydraulics after landing....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Bigdaddymike]

Let's start a rumor. Express Jet would like to buy Comair from Delta. This is likely a precursor to Continental acquiring Delta itself.

The funny thing is that I heard the same thing here at XJT. Nothing is for sure.

 

[On Your Six]

DAL and Northwest makes a lot more sense excluding the fleet non-commonality issue. Hubs/routes are much more complementary... EWR and CLE don't mesh well with JFK/LGA and CVG...

 

[jetflyer]

I've heard Comair was going to be sold to Mesa and now Expressjet.

I'm crossing my fingers for Expressjet!

Whatever happens, I hope it's not just the assets but the pilots too!!!!!


Jet

 

[General Lee]

Since these are JUST RUMORS AND SPECULATION......You are right On Your Six about hub locations being good, but the fleet commonality between CAL and DL would make it easier. It is just that NYC sticking point. There is NO WAY the Govt would allow a NYC Monopoly. So, who would sell what? The city of EWR doesnt' want CAL to leave that nice new terminal they got in EWR recently. The Port Authority in NYC doesn't want DL to give up the new renovations to the JFK terminal. I guess Chap 11 could solve that, but I don't know. I think the only airplanes NW and DL have in common are some 757s and lots of CRJs. But a large Pacific carrier(NW) teaming up with a large European and South America/Carribean Carrier (DL) would be a great match. And, think about all the CRJs we would have together? Airtran and Southwest would probably love for this to happen....? And, Surplus1 could get to see more of Northern Michigan flying the red tailed RJs up there.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jetflyer]

Oh yea I forgot Skywest might buy Comair too. Just please take the pilots!!!

Jet

 

[surplus1]

Nah, I have heard NW will aquire DL eventually after everything is cleared up (lots of rumors here in ATL, not all good). You will then be a Pinnicle pilot. CAL and DL have a problem with a merger, and that is NYC---the two hubs and The Shuttle. That wouldn't float. Enjoy DTW.
Bye Bye--General Lee

Gee General, you really are mean. Anyway, I'm sure you'll prefer MSP's pleasant Januarys as opposed to sweat of ATL. It will be interesting to see all those widgets replaced with bloody tails.

Do you think the NWA guys will staple you all?

 

[pilotmyf]

Maybe they are going to a Reds game--duh!

 

[General Lee]

Gee General, you really are mean. Anyway, I'm sure you'll prefer MSP's pleasant Januarys as opposed to sweat of ATL. It will be interesting to see all those widgets replaced with bloody tails.

Do you think the NWA guys will staple you all?

I love ice fishing. And, I love doing walkarounds at -50 degrees F. Anyway, Isn't NW an ALPA carrier? If this were to ever happen, (?) I would think there would be fences and some sort of mix. And how do you know the weaker carrier but larger carrier wouldn't keep the brand name? Look at USAir and AWA. All speculation though.


What about with you guys? Will you pick DTW, MEM, or MSP? (MoTown, No town, or Snow town?)



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jetflyer]

I'll take a job in anytown, with my 0 PIC Turbine

Jet

 

[MedFlyer]

NW and DL both have midwestern hubs (DTW and CVG)....CVG would probably go away.
NW and DL both have southern hubs (ATL and MEM)....MEM would probably go away.
NW and DL have little for fleet commonality.

CO and DL both have large NYC presence....DL's JFK dump would probably go away.
CO and DL both have a midwestern hub....close call here (no real favorite).
CO and DL have a lot of fleet commonality.

Judging by the above, a CO/DL merger would seem more likely. However, unless DL cleans itself in bankruptcy, I don't think CO or NW would want to touch DL and its debt/pensions.

 

[Superpilot92]

something is going to have to happen with ExpressJet in the near future I hope. I dont want to see the last new airframe here with no further plans. Ah the wonder about 2007. Should be interesting to see what happens through out the industry in the years to come.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Looks like its a bunch of MX personel going to CVG.

 

[rumorhasit]

Maybe they are going to a Reds game--duh!

good Point and with the way the 'stros are playin' it would not suprise me....can anyone say the "beltran curse" lol

 

[FlyChicaga]

http://www.raa.org/2005Conference/index.htmlhttp://www.raa.org/

But all these replies about rumors and speculation are fun. Please continue!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

http://www.raa.org/2005Conference/index.html

But all these replies about rumors and speculation are fun. Please continue!

DOH!!!!!

 

[jetflyer]

LOL.... End of Thread

OR... Go early and KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE???

Buy Comair and attend the Conference???

Jet

 

[General Lee]

NW and DL both have midwestern hubs (DTW and CVG)....CVG would probably go away.
NW and DL both have southern hubs (ATL and MEM)....MEM would probably go away.
NW and DL have little for fleet commonality.

CO and DL both have large NYC presence....DL's JFK dump would probably go away.
CO and DL both have a midwestern hub....close call here (no real favorite).
CO and DL have a lot of fleet commonality.

Judging by the above, a CO/DL merger would seem more likely. However, unless DL cleans itself in bankruptcy, I don't think CO or NW would want to touch DL and its debt/pensions.

Well, I think this COULD happen after a DL Chap 11, after the pensions go bye bye and so does some of the debt (along with ASA/Comair). I would think DL/NW would be a better strategic fit route wise. If CAL/DAL were to happen, CLE would be gone and maybe JFK, but we are spending quite a bit on it now. Also, I think NW has the right to say no to that merger, right? NW would be a better fit, and the MD-88s could be the DC-9 replacement. (Although what would happen between the A320s and 738s? I am getting a headache....)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[On Your Six]

Well, I think this COULD happen after a DL Chap 11, after the pensions go bye bye and so does some of the debt (along with ASA/Comair). I would think DL/NW would be a better strategic fit route wise. If CAL/DAL were to happen, CLE would be gone and maybe JFK, but we are spending quite a bit on it now. Also, I think NW has the right to say no to that merger, right? NW would be a better fit, and the MD-88s could be the DC-9 replacement. (Although what would happen between the A320s and 738s? I am getting a headache....)


Bye Bye--General Lee

The existence of hubs and both EWR and JFK for the two airlines indicates the demand for such international and domestic services (there's obviously enough of a market to support both).... Shutting down or selling off one of those hubs without the ability to add capacity (limited space and slots) at the other would not be feasible in my mind - you would be giving up revenue opportunities. You wouldn't have one airline dominating the international market out of NYC - that won't happen. I don't think the Gov't would allow a merger between CAL and DAL because of these overlaps - no matter how bad the situation. DAL or CAL would likely be forced to sell its operation at either EWR or JFK for antitrust reasons and that ain't likely because there aren't many buyers capable of such a move at this point...

NW and DAL looks a lot more likely when considering potential anti-trust issues - especially in the New York market. Plus, NW's Asian routes are very complementary with DAL's European routes. CAL doesn't have much to offer in the Pacific besides Air Mike...

 

[General Lee]

I agree. Looking at CAL and DL--they both have large European service from NYC. Merging the two wouldn't be allowed probably unless one gave up their European service, which is probably a very important revenue source for each. Unlikely. I would say a NW (Pacific) route structure, combined with a DL (Europe and South America) route structure would keep the revenue coming in the best, not losing one large area just for fleet commonality. That could all be sorted out later, and having both Boeing and Airbus products can keep the manufacturers fighting with lower prices for future aircraft needs. This is all pure speculation though.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[MedFlyer]

Using figures from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (Feb 2005), a combined DL and CO would only control 37% of the NYC market (LGA, JFK, EWR). For international traffic, the combined CO and DL would only control 26%. It'd be tough to prove antitrust with numbers that low.

DL would probably pull most of its flights out of JFK. The unique flights (SVO, IST, ATH, BCN, NCE, VCE) would be shifted to EWR. The rest would be largely duplicative and unnecessary. Song would be dumped as CO doesn't need a Song type product in EWR.

With AA building a massive international terminal and JetBlue growing like crazy, it would take no time at all to replace DL. Keep in mind that DL is now a distant third at JFK (behind JetBlue and AA).

A combined NW/DL would open up more in the Pacific, but there would be few other gains. A combined NW/DL would dominate most of the midwestern and southern markets with marketshares of 50-75% in many secondary markets. This overlap would not happen with CO since CO is a far smaller domestic player. The nearly 20 fleet types of a combined NW/DL would also be a disaster.

 

[AviatorTx]

We're going to buy Delta and staple them to the bottom of our list.

 

[General Lee]

Using figures from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (Feb 2005), a combined DL and CO would only control 37% of the NYC market (LGA, JFK, EWR). For international traffic, the combined CO and DL would only control 26%. It'd be tough to prove antitrust with numbers that low.

DL would probably pull most of its flights out of JFK. The unique flights (SVO, IST, ATH, BCN, NCE, VCE) would be shifted to EWR. The rest would be largely duplicative and unnecessary. Song would be dumped as CO doesn't need a Song type product in EWR.

With AA building a massive international terminal and JetBlue growing like crazy, it would take no time at all to replace DL. Keep in mind that DL is now a distant third at JFK (behind JetBlue and AA).

A combined NW/DL would open up more in the Pacific, but there would be few other gains. A combined NW/DL would dominate most of the midwestern and southern markets with marketshares of 50-75% in many secondary markets. This overlap would not happen with CO since CO is a far smaller domestic player. The nearly 20 fleet types of a combined NW/DL would also be a disaster.

Of course I disagree. The JFK hub produces a lot of our INTL revenue, and CO also produces significant revenue to Europe from EWR. Why pull the plug on one of those? They wouldn't. What overlap for NW and DAL? I can see Cinci going bye bye to maintain DTW, and little MEM going bye bye also. Then we would have a truely global carrier, with strengths to Europe/Carribean and the Pacific. CAL has Air Mike, which is a small player in the Pacific, and they already do a lot down to South and Central America. There is the overlap---NYC to Europe and South America and Central America from ATL and IAH. Song also has turned into a great product, and NW has nothing like it. As far as the fleet types, DL is trying to narrow it down and I am sure NW would do the same. We could throw out a few of the DL fleet types---Delta Shuttle 733s, SLC 733s, 762s, and 732s. NW would get rid of the DC-9s. We could add more A320s or some 73Ns to eventually replace the MD88s/MD90s. Where would all of the 763Er's go if we dumped the JFK hub? We wouldn't do that--it is a perfect European--USA aircraft. A trimming of the fleet types would be a sure thing, but dumping Theatre routes (All Europe from JFK) would be wrong and it would invite other competitors. A merge with NW would not allow that and we could play off of our strengths. How about all of the Comair growth at JFK and the NE? That would all be gone. NW doesn't have anything in the NE at all or much in FLA, and we don't have squat at MSP, DTW, MKE, or IND. All speculation again.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[MedFlyer]

Of course I disagree. The JFK hub produces a lot of our INTL revenue, and CO also produces significant revenue to Europe from EWR. Why pull the plug on one of those? They wouldn't.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I didn't say all of the routes would be cancelled. The unique ones (like SVO, IST, ATH, NCE, VCE, BCN) would be shifted over to EWR. These routes would perform better with EWR's better feed and many of them could stay daily even in the winter (something DL can't do right now).

DL's JFK-Europe operation isn't that big. During the summer peak, we're only talking about 15 flights and during the winter it drops down to about 12. So if you shift over the unique routes to EWR, you'd only cut a handful of flights.

If DL's JFK-Europe flights are so profitable, why has DL cut the JFK-Europe operation in half over the last ten years? CO has grown tremendously during that time, while DL has shrunk. Keep in mind, DL cut many of these routes during the booming late 90's which tells me that even in the best of times DL couldn't make money on them.

 

[erj-145mech]

CVG Conference

Ya'll have it all wrong, the Jim's are going to assume Delta's and Comair's pension plans, using the proceeds to buy the remaining XJT stock from CO.

Then they'll use COMAIR's business plan and commence with COPA Express tying Mexico flying with the rest of Central America.