Express Jet Question

[HangerRat]

Really, what one thing is that? Instructing for a private, inst, commercial, MEL, MEI, ATP, CFI initial (one of the hardest), CFII or instrument? Going flying in a twin with a student trying to kill you even when the weather is IMC? Going cross-country flying to different airports all around the country?

Please elaborate. I'm glad to hear I don't know s*&t.

Your own response answered your question better than I could.

 

[pianoman]

Ummm... that doesn't make any sense.

But seriously. Why the ATP hating? What have you done that has granted you so much more wisdom? I want to hear it. I think you'll find good and bad people from any school.

Sounds like you're mad you got turned down for a job or something? You gotta relax man. We're all just trying to hold down a job and make it home at the end of the day. No reason to hate.....

 

[Alchemy]

He is CLE based and he has a relief line in May.

That's a whopping 2 months on reserve in CLE, wow.

 

[HangerRat]

All you've done is be a CFI for one company, the same one who you probobly did training with. Your entire response brought that into the open. It is quite different in the real world and you will learn that in time.

 

[pin727]

I went there and had the same problem, the "lady" that is in HR was very """""FRIENDLY"""" AND """""HELP-FULL

 

[pin727]

I went there and had the same problem, the "lady" that is in HR was very """""FRIENDLY"""" AND """""HELP-FULL of s... the minute I wlaked out I had the same e-mail, I had two type atp and a lot of PIC time...maybe they are lokking for people typed in the space shuttle!!!

of coures I will not re-apply!!!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

All you've done is be a CFI for one company, the same one who you probobly did training with. Your entire response brought that into the open. It is quite different in the real world and you will learn that in time.

Hanger,

Pianoman is a Captain on the EMB-145 for ExpressJet and has over 4500 hours of total time and over 3200 hours of jet time. He has also served over 2 years for our pilot group as an elected MEC representative (quite well I might add). I think he's doing okay for himself having come from ATP. And no, I didn't go to ATP - I did the mom and pop route.

-Neal

 

[AirlinePilot777]

I can't imagine how anyone could suggest that Flight Instructing is not real world flying. To anyone who would try to argue such a point...What are you thinking? I don't mean to offend or upset anyone, but come on...

A CFI, especially when teaching student pilots, is solely responsible and liable for the safety of flight and adherance to applicable FARs, all while providing an adequate training environment for his/her student. ONE PERSON is responsible for this task and while the student should also be concerned with safety and FARs, lets face it, it is easy for them and they often do neglect these responsibilities while trying to learn. CFI's have to deal with crappy weather all the time, just like any other pilot. They have to deal with crappy planes, and crappy resources, and they still get their jobs done. They've got long hours and most fly 7 days/week. They're dealing with fatigue, financial pressures, and scheduling conflicts with their personal lives, just like any other professional pilot, and they're still at work at 0600 and leaving work 12 hours later. Let's also add to that the fact that CFIs now have to deal with the fact that they could be training someone with malicious intent. They do not have the luxury of locking them out of the flight deck as this defeats the whole purpose of the job; and no matter the efforts one takes to ensure that a student isn't the bad guy, you just never know.

All flying jobs include "real world flying" and no pilot, no matter how many hours, or what job he/she currently has, should assume that pilots involved in other flying jobs (even the ones for low time pilots) are not experiencing "the real world".

I respect the fact that flight Instructing is absolutely in a different world than 135, 121, and other types of flying. I also respect the fact that the transition can be difficult, but please give CFIs the credit they deserve. Thank you.

 

[Superpilot92]

I can't imagine how anyone could suggest that Flight Instructing is not real world flying. To anyone who would try to argue such a point...What are you thinking? I don't mean to offend or upset anyone, but come on...

A CFI, especially when teaching student pilots, is solely responsible and liable for the safety of flight and adherance to applicable FARs, all while providing an adequate training environment for his/her student. ONE PERSON is responsible for this task and while the student should also be concerned with safety and FARs, lets face it, it is easy for them and they often do neglect these responsibilities while trying to learn. CFI's have to deal with crappy weather all the time, just like any other pilot. They have to deal with crappy planes, and crappy resources, and they still get their jobs done. They've got long hours and most fly 7 days/week. They're dealing with fatigue, financial pressures, and scheduling conflicts with their personal lives, just like any other professional pilot, and they're still at work at 0600 and leaving work 12 hours later. Let's also add to that the fact that CFIs now have to deal with the fact that they could be training someone with malicious intent. They do not have the luxury of locking them out of the flight deck as this defeats the whole purpose of the job; and no matter the efforts one takes to ensure that a student isn't the bad guy, you just never know.

All flying jobs include "real world flying" and no pilot, no matter how many hours, or what job he/she currently has, should assume that pilots involved in other flying jobs (even the ones for low time pilots) are not experiencing "the real world".

I respect the fact that flight Instructing is absolutely in a different world than 135, 121, and other types of flying. I also respect the fact that the transition can be difficult, but please give CFIs the credit they deserve. Thank you.

AGREE!! It definitly isnt a easy job. Been there done that. keep up the hard work

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

AGREE!! It definitly isnt a easy job. Been there done that. keep up the hard work

Just wait until you upgrade and fly with some of our "G5000 specials", you'll be doing it again.

P.S. I am not knocking the new guys. It takes time to really be able to fly these planes well. My gripe is mainly with people who are lacking in what I would call professional aviator fundamentals. It just makes the captain's job exponentially more difficult when you get guys going with you into O'Hare or Newark or wherever and they don't know how to freakin' talk on the radio etc... THAT kind of stuff shouldn't have to be taught here.

 

[meatloaf]

I just received an email from Express Jet stating they did not have any openings meeting me qualifications. I have 2100TT, 400ME, ATP. What the hell are they looking for?

Bump.... (I think that's what you are supposed to say to get the thread back to the original topic.)

 

[Flechas]

Bump.... (I think that's what you are supposed to say to get the thread back to the original topic.)

That's what you say when you want to get the thread back to the top, when you want it to go back to the original topic you just type 7500

 

[meatloaf]

Thanks........ 7500!

 

[HangerRat]

I can't imagine how anyone could suggest that Flight Instructing is not real world flying. QUOTE]

Those allATP guys do nothing but fly for allATP through out training I have met some who think that thier SOP is actually an FAR and that they should apply to everyone.

When you do only one thing you lose the experience that the rest of us have doing many things.


I was a CFI too. I don't think it is an easy job and I worked my tail off.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Why are you bashing allATP specifically? What about DCA, Riddle, Pan Am, Flight Safety, or any other airline oriented training program? I went the "mom and pop" route myself, but of all the schools mentioned above at least ATP gets them enough multi time to get hired someplace. I have close friends that go to or have gone to Riddle, and it seems that ERAU and probably others like to paint a pretty picture during the years that you are there making you believe that you will graduate and be hired into the right seat of some 777, but you spend half of your training flying around in a 172 simulator and graduate with a wopping 50-100 hours of multi. The allATP guys have more experience flying high performance complex multi engine aircraft. This is why they are hired. As far as I'm concerned it beats any of the other places I mentioned above.

 

[foofighter145]

Having graduated from Humpty Diddle in 94 and instructed at ATP in 96...I can honestly say, while the training is feed with a firehose at both schools...the multi time at ATP is probably better suited to prepare someone for hands-on flying rather than theory based study to be used way down the line in the career.

Riddle has probably changed but I highly cannot recommend it to anyone today out of the sheer cost involved.

Flying is what you make of it - garbage in garbage out...just like computers...

Having to do it all over again...I would have definitely gone the Mom & Pop route with a real degree from another university..but you know what they say about hindsight.

Anyways...glad to see ATP coming along from where they were as a seminole only training facility catering to primarly military time conversions....I logged onto the site recently and my draw dropped as to what is now available...

Jim K. and Derrick D are seriously rolling in the cash $$$$...kudos to those guys

 

[plunger]

I went to ATP and nobody wants to hire my sorry A$$.

 

[TNPILOT]

This whole thread has gone the route of "My daddy can beat up your daddy." Shheeessshhh.

Who gives a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. As long as the guy sitting next to me didn't/doesn't
1) PFT
2) Cross a picket line
3) Tell me how wonderful Embry Riddle is
4) Complain the ENTIRE trip
5) talk about flying the entire trip
6) or try to grab my ass when I get up to do the post flight walk around

I don't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** where, when, or how he/she got to where they are. My guess is most of you did one or most of 1-6.

 

[Nova]

7) List all the great GA aircraft they've flown

 

[HangerRat]

7) List all the great GA aircraft they've flown

Good call! LOL

 

[HangerRat]

This whole thread has gone the route of "My daddy can beat up your daddy." Shheeessshhh.

Who gives a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. As long as the guy sitting next to me didn't/doesn't
1) PFT
2) Cross a picket line
3) Tell me how wonderful Embry Riddle is
4) Complain the ENTIRE trip
5) talk about flying the entire trip
6) or try to grab my ass when I get up to do the post flight walk around

I don't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** where, when, or how he/she got to where they are. My guess is most of you did one or most of 1-6.

What about the guy sitting next to you with 1300 hours that thinks that he can complain about who is sitting next to him?

 

[TNPILOT]

and I'm sure you never complained about any Captain's when you were an FO...

 

[HangerRat]

ha who said i was ever an FO?

 

[HangerRat]

Lol