Express Jet Question

[wannabe22]

I just received an email from Express Jet stating they did not have any openings meeting me qualifications. I have 2100TT, 400ME, ATP. What the hell are they looking for?

 

[miles otoole]

I just received an email from Express Jet stating they did not have any openings meeting me qualifications. I have 2100TT, 400ME, ATP. What the hell are they looking for?

Change your name to Shaniqua Sitting Bull Goldstein and you'll be all set.

 

[superrav]

do u have a current flying job??..

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I just received an email from Express Jet stating they did not have any openings meeting me qualifications. I have 2100TT, 400ME, ATP. What the hell are they looking for?

My guess is that it is a standard form response. But perhaps you are lacking something that is required...not really sure...but your times above look fine.

-Neal

 

[Paul R. Smith]

I just received an email from Express Jet stating they did not have any openings meeting me qualifications. I have 2100TT, 400ME, ATP. What the hell are they looking for?

Let me get my "jump to conclusions mat" and we'll say that CAL will begin furloughing 800 pilots and the Flowthrough will be revived for all of those pilots and this will require XJT to stop hiring and furlough 750 pilots and cancel upgrades for everyone and demote almost everyone who has upgraded in the last 5 years back to FO.

Better Yet CHQ after submittin an undercutting bid every week for the last 3 years has finally been awarded all of XJT flying and thus no hiring at XJT in fact a total overnight liquidation of the company...

That was fun...But sorry to hear about your ordeal man that sux!!

Good luck

 

[alaskaborn]

I just got the same email from Express Jet. Aviation Interviews shows that they are hiring people with far less than my times. They didn't bother to even give me the phone interview. I DO have a current flying job and 1750 total / 210 multi. It's starting to seem like there is really no rhyme or reason with any of these people.

 

[msk2468]

keep in mind that they now have a loa with atp to hire pretty much everybody. I have been waiting over 4 months now, but I guess I may be waiting for nothing because i have less time than the two of you even though I am well above there supposed minimums.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

keep in mind that they now have a loa with atp to hire pretty much everybody. I have been waiting over 4 months now, but I guess I may be waiting for nothing because i have less time than the two of you even though I am well above there supposed minimums.

This is NOT true. The LOA does not require us to hire any minimum amount of pilots and we certainly don't hire someone just because of where they got their ratings.

-Neal

 

[msk2468]

Easy Guy. All I am saying is that I keep hearing of students of their programs (former students of my cfi friends) who have been recently hired - some with 500-600 hours even as higher hour guys are told they do not meet quals. More importantly, it seems as though some of these guys have apllied as recently as early march and have already intereviewed while others have waited for months. Just what I heard. I read the actual loa and obviously expressjet is not going to bind themselves into an agreement that requires them to hire a certain number of people, but there is obviously a special agreement/relationship which is resulting in preferential interviewing/hiring.

 

[Flechas]

That sucks, I think there should be no pref hiring for any flightschool, only for airline people, like Indi.

 

[cougar6903]

Easy Guy. All I am saying is that I keep hearing of students of their programs (former students of my cfi friends) who Its have been recently hired - some with 500-600 hours even as higher hour guys are told they do not meet quals. More importantly, it seems as though some of these guys have apllied as recently as early march and have already intereviewed while others have waited for months. Just what I heard. I read the actual loa and obviously expressjet is not going to bind themselves into an agreement that requires them to hire a certain number of people, but there is obviously a special agreement/relationship which is resulting in preferential interviewing/hiring.

Its more like 600-700TT with 500-600 of that being multi.

 

[Flechas]

Its more like 600-700TT with 500-600 of that being multi.

I'm glad you mentioned that!! Lets hire all of them!!!

 

[NavinRJohnson]

Wannabe22:

This is my 2 cents, but I would call their HR department and find out EXACTLY why they did not think you were qualified. I would consider that a legitimate reason to call, so I highly doubt they would be upset about your inquiry.

You might have just messed something up on their online application, and the machine, being what it is, spit back that you were not qualified.

Don't be afraid to be assertive about these things... Just be polite!

Let us know how the call went.... or you can just PM me. My app is in as well, and I have about the same hours as you (actually about 100 less...). I have not recieved any similar emails, so that might give you some hope that its just a SNAFU.

Hasta, Navin

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Easy Guy. All I am saying is that I keep hearing of students of their programs (former students of my cfi friends) who have been recently hired - some with 500-600 hours even as higher hour guys are told they do not meet quals. More importantly, it seems as though some of these guys have apllied as recently as early march and have already intereviewed while others have waited for months. Just what I heard. I read the actual loa and obviously expressjet is not going to bind themselves into an agreement that requires them to hire a certain number of people, but there is obviously a special agreement/relationship which is resulting in preferential interviewing/hiring.

Don't worry...nobody is worked up, at least not on my end. I'm just trying to put out the facts and correct any misinformation I see. Yes, we have an LOA which gives ATP (and several other schools) preferential interviews for a certain number of pilots per month (with lower hour requirements). This is because our Flight Operations folks have visited their location and reviewed their operation and believe them to be a good source of trainable candidates. There is nothing "fair" in the airline world unfortunately and it certainly applies to hiring. Some pilots will get hired sooner than others...with less hours...etc. Its just the way it is.

-Neal

 

[Standby 1]

Yes, we have an LOA which gives ATP (and several other schools) preferential interviews for a certain number of pilots per month (with lower hour requirements). This is because our Flight Operations folks have visited their location and reviewed their operation and believe them to be a good source of trainable candidates.

-Neal

But what I've always wondered is why. I see the economic advantage for ATP and others....they get to use the LOA to promote their programs and charge an arm and a leg for it. But there are plenty of trainable candidates out in the open market....so what is in it for Flt Ops??? There has to be some economic incentive for them to sign an LOA and I'm having a difficult time believing that the incentive is "a good source of trainable candidates." After all, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting at least a dozen qualified candidates out there on the street.

So who gets the money?? Does ATP (and the other establishments who have an LOA) give a kick-back from their expensive programs???

Sorry if I sound like a conspiracy theorist here (I'm not, really!), but my common sense tells me that a LOA would have to benefit both parties. Who benefits at XJT?


I'm just curious - mainly because I can personally name 3 extremely qualified candidates who have received the above-mentioned email in the past 3 weeks.



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[Fins Up]

Anybody know how long it takes to make captian for these smaller "major" carriers?

 

[BluDevAv8r]

But what I've always wondered is why. I see the economic advantage for ATP and others....they get to use the LOA to promote their programs and charge an arm and a leg for it. But there are plenty of trainable candidates out in the open market....so what is in it for Flt Ops??? There has to be some economic incentive for them to sign an LOA and I'm having a difficult time believing that the incentive is "a good source of trainable candidates." After all, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting at least a dozen qualified candidates out there on the street.

So who gets the money?? Does ATP (and the other establishments who have an LOA) give a kick-back from their expensive programs???

Sorry if I sound like a conspiracy theorist here (I'm not, really!), but my common sense tells me that a LOA would have to benefit both parties. Who benefits at XJT?


I'm just curious - mainly because I can personally name 3 extremely qualified candidates who have received the above-mentioned email in the past 3 weeks.



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I am fairly confident that XJT gets no "kick backs" from these schools. If I were to wager a guess, I'd say that they get a fairly known quantity as well as some decent press.

Believe it or not, we've had some trouble getting people through the training program on time and I think the Company is looking to find trainable candidates, not just candidates who have the most hours, etc.

-Neal

 

[Smiliner]

Yes, we have an LOA which gives ATP (and several other schools) preferential interviews for a certain number of pilots per month (with lower hour requirements). This is because our Flight Operations folks have visited their location and reviewed their operation and believe them to be a good source of trainable candidates.

Neal,

Do you know what other schools besides ATP ExpressJet has this LOA with?

Thanks!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Neal,

Do you know what other schools besides ATP ExpressJet has this LOA with?

Thanks!

I don't know for sure to be honest. The only one I know of for sure, other than ATP, is FlightSafety. I'll have to ask to find out about the others, if any.

-Neal

 

[Standby 1]

I am fairly confident that XJT gets no "kick backs" from these schools. If I were to wager a guess, I'd say that they get a fairly known quantity as well as some decent press.

Believe it or not, we've had some trouble getting people through the training program on time and I think the Company is looking to find trainable candidates, not just candidates who have the most hours, etc.

-Neal

Thanks for the response, Neal. I just finished reading the new Enron book, so maybe my "corrupt management" antennae is a bit too active these days.

I enjoy flying for xjet and it's just a bit disappointing when a few people I know, who are imminently qualified and would fit into our workplace so well are not even given a chance to interview --- just the vague brush-off email.

Regardless, we did a good thing with the Indy people and that's gotta count for something. And besides, no one that reads/posts on a message board is in a position to change anything about the preferential interviewing LOAs....it's just a place to vent a little.

Thanks for the info.



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[EMB170Pilot]

Its simple really why YOU did not get hired


1. Its because Pilots are the most judgemental a$$holes on this planet. They didnt pick a pilot with an ATP w/ 500 multi but they picked a 700TT pilot REAL SMART

Sorry you didnt get at least an interview out of it. Sad to say but thats pretty sad at Xjet but then again Im sure the same can happend at any other regional.

Its what you get when you have pilots working in your hiring dept.

 

[52Vincent]

I just received an email from Express Jet stating they did not have any openings meeting me qualifications. I have 2100TT, 400ME, ATP. What the hell are they looking for?

I received a call last Tuesday from someone in recruiting asking me to fax them a current resume. I applied in November, the gentleman said they were just getting to the November apps. Anyway, I faxed it and received the same email yesterday.

 

[Smiliner]

I received a call last Tuesday from someone in recruiting asking me to fax them a current resume. I applied in November, the gentleman said they were just getting to the November apps. Anyway, I faxed it and received the same email yesterday.

Hey 52Vincent,

what are your hours? how many in the last 6 months?

Thanks

 

[Freightdog75]

Same call came for me today to send an updated resume. Filled out the online app. in January. We will see if I get the same email. 4000tt 1500me ATP. hmmmmmmmm......................


FD75

 

[Superpilot92]

there are alot of DCA guys in my class with a couple ALLATP guys. Half the class is ACA the rest is instructors.

 

[52Vincent]

Hey 52Vincent,

what are your hours? how many in the last 6 months?

Thanks

Smilner,
1900/180 with 400 in the last 6 months. did you get a similar call?

 

[COEX-FO]

and believe them to be a good source of trainable candidates.
-Neal

What Neal said above the the key. Trainable candidates!

The training department has had sufficient new hires to know what the 'profile' is that will give them the highest success rate. What that profile is, is known only to them! They make hiring decisions based upon this criteria and I would imgaine it get a lot of weight in the overall 'score' of a candidate.

My guess, and from the few that I have flow with, the ATP pilots with high multi time do very well in the airline training enviroment. Why? Don't know. Naturally, if we hired 10 ATP's candidates and they all excel in training, they will hire more. Same with any other specific group.

Actually, this applies to all airlines. AirTran for example has hired a number of Express pilots over the past few months and all did extrememly well during training. Guess what? Yup, they now will more than likely grant an interview to Express pilots with the same or even less time than say another airline.

That's part of game so never try to second guess your qualifications when it comes to the hiring process. Keep applying and stay positive. That's the other trait we are looking for!

 

[fulcrum]

express jet wants co-pilots not captains

i was just speaking to my buddy ,who works there he told me that basically they were looking for professional co-pilots not captain quality pilots because the guys getting hired now will be in the right seat for a long time
Hiring somebody thinking they will do well in training is fine , but what about proven PIC time , a couple of years teaching and flying freight also develops a lot of judgement

about training you only need so many bananas ----------- judgement comes thru experience, dont get discouraged guys there are plenty of airlines that will look at your left seat experience and give you a chance.

 

[RedDogC130]

I have put a profile online through the website. Is that all you need to do? Will they then call you to get an updated resume if interested? Thanks.

 

[Nova]

The training department has had sufficient new hires to know what the 'profile' is that will give them the highest success rate. What that profile is, is known only to them! They make hiring decisions based upon this criteria and I would imgaine it get a lot of weight in the overall 'score' of a candidate.

Having spent some time recently at our training facility I can say that there is more talk of them having troubles with the new hires getting through than not. I'm sure the training department have a pretty good 'profile' they like to see come through the door but remember its the HR department that's doing the hiring not the Training department. I had an senior instructor tell me that even he couldn't walk in the resume of folks he knew (2-3000+ TT) and that they would have to apply through the website (even though the website would weed them out). The HR department has some bizarre profile they are trying to follow.

I asked Nides why the system made it so difficult for current line pilots to make recommendations for applicants as currently we can only give them a letter of rec. once they've made it to the interview. (I reminded him of his voicemail about 18 months ago that said they were going look towards the line pilots to recommend good applicants). His response was that a company can't permit selective interviewing/hiring, like internal recommendations, because it opens them up to lawsuits. They can't show bias. Odd how companies like FedEx are doing that exclusively. Sounds like the HR folks have created this monster and no one wants to touch it knowing that it's only going to live for another year before we're done with this boom.