Express Jet picking up again?

[SkyBoy1981]

Dont you think it would be to big of an undertaking to have someone move in and take over our flying? I mean look at us, we are so woven into CAL it would be very difficult to change that around. Our planes are our planes as long as we keep making the payments on them so CAL cant say ok MESA you fly these now. I could see CAL say hay we need you to do it cheeper and hopefully then we could either continue flying only for CAL or for CAL and another carrier. Who knows? I guess it will continue being interesting for years to come.CYA

Well, thats what we all hope. It doesn't hurt to be prepared for other possibilities that could occur in 2007. I agree with everything McPickle said...he made some very valid points that would preserve our wages as well as keep us competitive. All of this giving up pay to have more growth has got to stop.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

All of this giving up pay to have more growth has got to stop.

Exactly, dead on!

 

[mckpickle]

Dont you think it would be to big of an undertaking to have someone move in and take over our flying? I mean look at us, we are so woven into CAL it would be very difficult to change that around. Our planes are our planes as long as we keep making the payments on them so CAL cant say ok MESA you fly these now. I could see CAL say hay we need you to do it cheeper and hopefully then we could either continue flying only for CAL or for CAL and another carrier. Who knows? I guess it will continue being interesting for years to come.

CYA

It would be a huge undertaking however.....Bean Counters!!!

 

[Superpilot92]

Well, thats what we all hope. It doesn't hurt to be prepared for other possibilities that could occur in 2007. I agree with everything McPickle said...he made some very valid points that would preserve our wages as well as keep us competitive. All of this giving up pay to have more growth has got to stop.

Also agree I guess we shall see.

 

[AviatorTx]

We can and have bid for other flying now. Problem is we have to find our own financing and no one wants to finance NEW 50 seat a/c. Seems they listen to the Boyd Group and feel there will be a ton of 50 seaters in the desert in a few years.

We already have the planes to do this flying if CAL gives us the boot to a degree. Say they tell us that they no longer need 30 "Expressjets" because they inked a deal with Mesa to bring in 30 of theirs. The planes we are flying are technically ours as long as the CPA is in place. XJT has first right of refusal on the aircraft leases. In this case if we have someone else to fly for, we just send those 30 planes to the paint shop and start for the new company. It will be up to Mesa to use their existing planes, or find new ones. This unless XJT cannot find business for those no longer needed by CAL "Expressjets". In this case, CAL could take them and give them to Mesa as XJT would probably not continue to make lease payments on planes they could not use.

Clear as mud???

What scares me is that XJT has bid on, but not gotten any other deals from other carriers. With Mesa and CHQ fighting over table scraps, it will be very hard for XJT to under bid them without taking a loss, or trying to take money from us.

With the exclusivity ending in 2007, CAL could give us the required 12 months notice as early as Jan 1 2006 that they are going to bring in another carrier in 2007.

This whole company bidding war, and asking us for money in order to stay on par with what we have now, could theoretically rear it's ugly head as early as six months plus one day from RIGHT NOW...

<--- No concessions here. Period.

 

[Superpilot92]

We already have the planes to do this flying if CAL gives us the boot to a degree. Say they tell us that they no longer need 30 "Expressjets" because they inked a deal with Mesa to bring in 30 of theirs. The planes we are flying are technically ours as long as the CPA is in place. XJT has first right of refusal on the aircraft leases. In this case if we have someone else to fly for, we just send those 30 planes to the paint shop and start for the new company. It will be up to Mesa to use their existing planes, or find new ones. This unless XJT cannot find business for those no longer needed by CAL "Expressjets". In this case, CAL could take them and give them to Mesa as XJT would probably not continue to make lease payments on planes they could not use.

Clear as mud???

What scares me is that XJT has bid on, but not gotten any other deals from other carriers. With Mesa and CHQ fighting over table scraps, it will be very hard for XJT to under bid them without taking a loss, or trying to take money from us.

With the exclusivity ending in 2007, CAL could give us the required 12 months notice as early as Jan 1 2006 that they are going to bring in another carrier in 2007.

This whole company bidding war, and asking us for money in order to stay on par with what we have now, could theoretically rear it's ugly head as early as six months plus one day from RIGHT NOW...

<--- No concessions here. Period.

How can we bid for other carriers if we are under contract from CAL? Is that for a game plan after 2007 just in case type of thing?

 

[AviatorTx]

How can we bid for other carriers if we are under contract from CAL?

I do not know the specifics, but we can feed for others as well as doing our own flying. There are certain limitations, mostly dealing with the hub airports if I am not mistaken.

Is that for a game plan after 2007 just in case type of thing?

I hope there is a plan too.

 

[ERfly]

The first thing we need to do is get rid of the threat of furloughs. THis can be done by informing guys getting hired and interviewing right now that this could happen. I do not want the "Megan O'neil" Syndrome where some one who hasn't finished IOE thinks they are as entitled to their job as people who have been here for years. I am not trying to be selfish however you know the deal getting hired here. Why turn 1000 $70k a year jobs into 1000 $65K a year jobs to save 100 20K a year jobs?


The second thing we need to do is run the best airline we can. It needs to be the most cost effiecient regional in the biz. For you guys that start the APU on arrival this goes out to you. There is NO reason to crank that thing up. Leave it down and taxi on #2. BFD the pax have to listen to the hyd pump. We need to do our best effort to be on time, take 11 or 29. If overweight for 11 do a flaps 18 t/o. There are a lot of people who cannot think outside the box. There is a lot of waste here that can be fixed by us INSTEAD of taxing pay cuts.

1100 flights a day.....2 apu cycles per flight X $9 per cycle=9900$
Cut that in 1/2....or not even half because of the various hard stands so 40%....=$3960 saved per day=$118,800 per month =$1,425,600 per year in savings.....just by not starting the APU when you taxi into the gate.

I'm right with you on this one. Nothing is more frustrating coming into Houston and the Capt reaches up and starts it coming out of 10000. What the h#ll do you need it for then?! The other thing is pushing back, seeing that the line to Spot 1 is is backed up to the bridge and firing up both engines.

Let's prove to CAL that we give them the best product in the industry!!

 

[ERfly]

<--- No concessions here. Period.

I can't vote until 11/29/05, but believe me, I'm right behind you. I have a feeling many others at this company are as well.

 

[Nova]

I can't vote until 11/29/05, but believe me, I'm right behind you. I have a feeling many others at this company are as well.

I'm not holding my breath. The same talk was spouted during our negotiations and few people stuck to their original convictions. Wait until there's a road show on concessions and folks will be lining up to vote "yes".

 

[Bigdaddymike]

The first thing we need to do is get rid of the threat of furloughs. THis can be done by informing guys getting hired and interviewing right now that this could happen. I do not want the "Megan O'neil" Syndrome where some one who hasn't finished IOE thinks they are as entitled to their job as people who have been here for years. I am not trying to be selfish however you know the deal getting hired here. Why turn 1000 $70k a year jobs into 1000 $65K a year jobs to save 100 20K a year jobs?


The second thing we need to do is run the best airline we can. It needs to be the most cost effiecient regional in the biz. For you guys that start the APU on arrival this goes out to you. There is NO reason to crank that thing up. Leave it down and taxi on #2. BFD the pax have to listen to the hyd pump. We need to do our best effort to be on time, take 11 or 29. If overweight for 11 do a flaps 18 t/o. There are a lot of people who cannot think outside the box. There is a lot of waste here that can be fixed by us INSTEAD of taxing pay cuts.

1100 flights a day.....2 apu cycles per flight X $9 per cycle=9900$
Cut that in 1/2....or not even half because of the various hard stands so 40%....=$3960 saved per day=$118,800 per month =$1,425,600 per year in savings.....just by not starting the APU when you taxi into the gate.

I totally agree with you on this and more. I just flew a CLE turn with an "old school captain" who would crank the APU out of habit and briefed me to remind him if he forgot to crank the APU below 10K.

 

[ERfly]

I'm not holding my breath. The same talk was spouted during our negotiations and few people stuck to their original convictions. Wait until there's a road show on concessions and folks will be lining up to vote "yes".

Be guaranteed, no matter how many roadshows and sales picthes, that I will vote no. I am disgusted by the Mesas and CHQs of the world and their whipsawing of the indusrty. I will not be pushed around by the Ornstein and Beford masses of the the industry. Take your Guppy Killers elsewhere.

 

[Mesa Fan Club]

ERfly you have been online for what 4 months and you already know it all. If I were you I would stop worrying about Captains starting APU's at 10,000 ft and starting both engines with lines at spot one. They have earned that right, and you haven't. Just worry about flying and keep your opinions about union stuff until you are in the union.

 

[ERfly]

ERfly you have been online for what 4 months and you already know it all. If I were you I would stop worrying about Captains starting APU's at 10,000 ft and starting both engines with lines at spot one. They have earned that right, and you haven't. Just worry about flying and keep your opinions about union stuff until you are in the union.

Ok, fine. I'll just sit there, non-chalant about my company. I won't take pride in what I feel is right. I'll just be happy I'm flying a shiny jet.

 

[voteno]

I totally agree with you on this and more. I just flew a CLE turn with an "old school captain" who would crank the APU out of habit and briefed me to remind him if he forgot to crank the APU below 10K.

Being from the "old school" Right on, because the POS used to never start! 10000 and below gave you several "chances" to start the POS.

 

[SEFlyer]

ERfly you have been online for what 4 months and you already know it all. If I were you I would stop worrying about Captains starting APU's at 10,000 ft and starting both engines with lines at spot one. They have earned that right, and you haven't. Just worry about flying and keep your opinions about union stuff until you are in the union.

maybe try to lighten up a bit. Obviously you don't take part in the union over at Mesa because the largest problem is that comments like yours discourage new hires from becoming active when the time comes. Then they end up voting yes on concessions, POS contracts that allows the company to do whatever it pleases, of course to the extent possible.

Next time encourage probationary members to take an active role. In your theory when the captain is aimed at the mountain and the FO doesn't speak up because the captain has "earned that right" to fly any dammn way he pleases, this is acceptable. A captain hasn't earned anything, but longevity in a company.

NO DUES FOR HUGHES. And next time you're in the PHX office, find out what the latest status is on MAG-GG-086 for me...

NO ZV FOR ME..

 

[ERfly]

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[SkyBoy1981]

How can you take anyone with a username like "Mesa Fan Club" seriously anyway?

 

[LJDRVR]

ERfly you have been online for what 4 months and you already know it all. If I were you I would stop worrying about Captains starting APU's at 10,000 ft and starting both engines with lines at spot one. They have earned that right, and you haven't. Just worry about flying and keep your opinions about union stuff until you are in the union.

Lighten up Francis...

Maybe you should stop worrying about educating somebody else's probationary FO's about how they should behave until you have more than 8 posts here on flightinfo. It's actually nice to see somebody new to the job who feels that the bar in this industry has been lowered too far, and that he/she doesn't want to be party to any further shrinkage.

 

[boxjockey]

I think all of you need to lighten up. The relationship we have with CAL will change over the next few years. It already has. Did any of you people listen to the first quarter conference call, or read the press release? Our profits dropped by about $8mil versus 4Q 04. Why you ask? Because we have already renegotiated the profit margin we gain from CAL. It was done this last summer. We are going to keep flying 274 RJs for CAL until the cows come home. What do you think the chances are of those numbers being reduced? We're at over 70000 block hours for June, and it is going to keep rising. CAL wants to expand. Who do you think is going to be a big part of that? Flores, Guatemala ring a bell? PHX and DEN redeyes? Jim R. and Larry K. are buddies from Continental MIC. They may come out with some scare tactics in the next year, and I sure as hell hope we don't fall for it, but I guarantee you that Jim and Fred are tying things up for the future, if not for any other reason than to pad their wallets.

box

 

[ILStoMinimums]

True, I am sure the relationship between the two companies will continue to change. But, Kellner and Ream are in each others back pockets. I am sure their tactics to expansion/growth/paycuts will be an interesting ride. Lets stand solid!

 

[Mesa Fan Club]

SEFlyer is kind of guy who is a ducky and bunny. I'm sure Express Jet is glad they hired this company guy. You must play We are the World everyday you go to work. Listen here D!ckhead. Flying a airplane in a mountain and starting the APU prior to landing aren't the same thing.

SkyBoy 1981. Mesa Fan Club isn't a name you should take serious you say. You are right, but a name like Skyboy1981 is. How gay is that name. I would be scared you might try to give me a b!owJob in the cockpit.

LJDRVR, I need more than 8 post you think? I have a life, but I'll try to put myself in your shoes. No life, No wife, jerkoff at pictures of skyboy1981. Ok I have been in your shoes now. I'll start posting 10 a day.

Thanks guys I sure hope the rest of expressjet pilots are a bunch of c*cksucks like you three are.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

SEFlyer is kind of guy who is a ducky and bunny. I'm sure Express Jet is glad they hired this company guy. You must play We are the World everyday you go to work. Listen here D!ckhead. Flying a airplane in a mountain and starting the APU prior to landing aren't the same thing.

SkyBoy 1981. Mesa Fan Club isn't a name you should take serious you say. You are right, but a name like Skyboy1981 is. How gay is that name. I would be scared you might try to give me a b!owJob in the cockpit.

LJDRVR, I need more than 8 post you think? I have a life, but I'll try to put myself in your shoes. No life, No wife, jerkoff at pictures of skyboy1981. Ok I have been in your shoes now. I'll start posting 10 a day.

Thanks guys I sure hope the rest of expressjet pilots are a bunch of c*cksucks like you three are.

Someone needs to go back to high school.

 

[Superpilot92]

Yeah he does!! Must be pissed off at the world and must be a blast to fly with.