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"Labor attorney Lowell Peterson of Meyer, Suozzi, English & Klein said the threat of a pilots' strike probably puts pressure on contract negotiators for the airline. He said that if the Northwest failed to deliver an acceptable contract proposal, pilots probably would strike. "A lot of it depends on how close they actually come in bargaining," Peterson said. "If the only thing that Northwest was willing to give was what it first put on the table, I'd say the chance of a strike was pretty good."




I'd say that part of the article was true.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Ahhh, more insight from an industry ANALyst.

The gap is closing between the Company & ALPA, in areas like Health & Dental, & some smaller items.

It seems that pesky SCOPE issue is still around, though.

NWA Mgmt misread the will of the pilots in 1998. Let's hope they don't make the same mistake again. Then again, it's hard to fix stupid.

320AV8R
 
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320AV8R said:
NWA Mgmt misread the will of the pilots in 1998. Let's hope they don't make the same mistake again. Then again, it's hard to fix stupid.

320AV8R
Ain't that the truth...
 
320AV8R said:
Ahhh, more insight from an industry ANALyst.

The gap is closing between the Company & ALPA, in areas like Health & Dental, & some smaller items.

It seems that pesky SCOPE issue is still around, though.

NWA Mgmt misread the will of the pilots in 1998. Let's hope they don't make the same mistake again. Then again, it's hard to fix stupid.

320AV8R

Scope is already close to being settled, the arguement is over 6 seats. ALPA has given 70 seaters to the regionals and the company wants 76. It's only a matter of time before we let it go, i'm furious.
 
YourPilotFriend said:
Scope is already close to being settled, the arguement is over 6 seats. ALPA has given 70 seaters to the regionals and the company wants 76. It's only a matter of time before we let it go, i'm furious.
Where do you get your information?
 
Posted by: YourPilotFriend
Scope is already close to being settled, the arguement is over 6 seats. ALPA has given 70 seaters to the regionals and the company wants 76. It's only a matter of time before we let it go, i'm furious.

This is only partially true, make sure you read the entire statements that are put out. The COMPANY's last offer was for 76 seats and ALPA is fighting for 70, but the main sticking issue is over who will fly them and under what rules. NWA ALPA cares more about who flies them more than how many seats they have, but they are saying that NWA can have 70 seaters for the airlinks but nothing more.

The significance of this is profound because 70 seats is not enough to make the E170 consistently profitable. This is what NWA wants to outsource and ALPA is saying HE** NO because it will replace DC9 flying.
 

The latest from ALPA:

The small jet (SJ) issues, while narrowed as a result of recent negotiations, remain a major sticking point. Some of the principal issues involve the size and seat maximum of outsourced SJs, the number of outsourced SJs, the trigger for the purchase of large SJs for the mainline, aircraft ownership, a Jets for Jobs program at feeder carriers operating SJs for Northwest, and a narrow body block hour or aircraft minimum at the mainline. Finding a mutually acceptable solution to these issues is essential to reaching a consensual agreement.
 
boeing747-800 said:
NWA pilots MUST hold the line! The Regionals MUST NEVER get anything over 70! Dammit to hell

On the next industry upswing, ALPA had better start working hard on getting that number back down to 50. If we don't you can be assured that during the next industry downturn, the number that is negotated will be for 90 seaters. This slow seat creep is going to destroy the profession.
 
What about the non-ALPA carriers that start flying the 75-100 seat RJ's, like JB and others to follow. Will NWA be stuck in a non-competitive contract not be able to make money at a higher cost structure? Did not APA at AAL have some kind of scope restriction back in mid 90's that said no feeder airline read AE would fly jets, that all jet flying would be done by mainline. Then everyone starting eating AAL's feed load factors because of jets and AAL decided jets at their regional was not such a bad idea. It there a chance there is room for stupid on both sides?
 
There was not one single insight in the linked article.

" ... Labor attorney Lowell Peterson of Meyer, Suozzi, English & Klein said the threat of a pilots' strike probably puts pressure on contract negotiators for the airline. He said that if the Northwest failed to deliver an acceptable contract proposal, pilots probably would strike. ..."

Talk about a firm grasp on the obvious!
 
pilotyip said:
What about the non-ALPA carriers that start flying the 75-100 seat RJ's, like JB and others to follow. Will NWA be stuck in a non-competitive contract not be able to make money at a higher cost structure? Did not APA at AAL have some kind of scope restriction back in mid 90's that said no feeder airline read AE would fly jets, that all jet flying would be done by mainline. Then everyone starting eating AAL's feed load factors because of jets and AAL decided jets at their regional was not such a bad idea. It there a chance there is room for stupid on both sides?

The 75-100 seat jets are for there respective mainline carriers. There is no jetBlue Express, however, the joke will be on jetblue pilots when the realize their entire fleet is going to be E190's.
 
Virgin America is going to start up and have pilots flying 100+ seats at Regional Jet Payscales and lower.

No ALPA, no union -- nothing is going to stop that.

Once that happens -- it will put NWA and others in an uncompetitive position.

How do you respond to that?
 
The lovely part is you will probably need 5,000+ hrs to get hired to fly 100 seat RJs at lower than regional pay.
 
The REALLY lovely part is that people will do it and sign up to fly a 90 seat ERJ for less than I make as a PCL 50-seat Captain... :(

Gotta love the bottom feeders.
 
Lear/YPF,

True, the downward spiral of this profession is us, the pilots. Management tries to do it, and we let them. When a company has an inherent fiscal advantage, like foreign government subsidies or significantly lower labor costs then it has the advantage. With so many wannabees out there, management thinks that they can replace us all with much lower paying employees that just want to 'break in,' even if it is at lower wages than what the current standard is.

Conclusion--if you take a job for low pay or under some crazy* pft scheme then you contribute to the spiral. If you work for a non-represented carrier and buy into the 'we've got to take it in-the-can so that our company can win/outlast and we'll reap the benefits,' then you're sadly mistaken. Another bunch of guys will come along and undercut you once you are on top and there you're job will go...

Oh yeah, if you have no other skill than flying...if you wonder what the heck you'd do if your flying job went away. I encourage you to get a skill as a backup plan, that way if they come to you wanting the 75% pay cut, you can just go do your other job, not take it on the chin and allow the spiral to continue. If you fly airplanes for a living, you are certainly savvy enough to do something else; let's all have the self-respect to say when enough is enough. The problem is that we'd all have to do this, and we know that's not going to happen, so I guess it's just wishful thinking.

Our only chance is to stick together, and I'm just not sure pilots can do that in large numbers.


*when I say crazy, I don't mean getting a type or signing a short contract for having a company pay for yours. If you can't feed your family on you income or are locked into some crazy work contract this means you!
 
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Just saw the package to this point on our forum.

The first thought that comes to mind: "Land Grab". It's like they are the Republican Congress, and they want to invoke "Innominate Domain"

I think they have NWA pilots by the short hairs here.
 

How do you know what Virgin America's payscales will be? Have they been posted somewhere?
shon7 said:
Virgin America is going to start up and have pilots flying 100+ seats at Regional Jet Payscales and lower.

No ALPA, no union -- nothing is going to stop that.

Once that happens -- it will put NWA and others in an uncompetitive position.

How do you respond to that?

 

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