So in light of the slower upgrade times and other conditions at Emirates, how do you all think the Etihad route is looking assuming one is qualified and typed in one of their jets? Looks like a faster path to the left seat! Living in Abu Dhabi versus Dubai doesn't need to be discussed since they are close by and not a factor for me at least. Thanks!
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Understood, not a factor. Thanks.
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Etihad is hiring more DECs which will slow the upgrade time considerably. Etihad also uses the A-320 for the initial Captain upgrade airframe not the widebodies like Emirates. You need to take a bigger look at Abu Dhabi and not state "not a factor." It will or should be a huge factor in your quality of life. In the end take whichever hires you first.
I'm not certain you are correct on the upgrade only to A320. I believe on the Boeing side you stay on that side for upgrade...maybe someone from there can confirm. Thx for the info.
I agree, Etihad looks like a faster path to the left seat even with DEC recruitment as they are still in the beginning phases of their expansion plan. The pay/benefits package is roughly the same but Etihad has actually gotten an extra months pay each year for the last 2 years because of their bonus that Emirates management has become too greedy to give. This coupled with a more relaxed SOP and training environment would make my decision for me. Unless you want to party every night, I don't think the quiet life in AUH would be that bad as a quick drive to DXB will satisfy any party issue.
Hey varmint
Are you currently at AUH? I ask because I just did the DEC interview for the A-320, I have been accepted and just had questions about work environment, quality of life, does your family like it etc. My family and myself did 2 years in china and they loved it, I realize that the UAE is a lot different but my wife mainly enjoyed hanging out with the other expat wives. Any thoughts would be appreciated, currently I am in the US at a major carrier but a 300 from the bottom and 49 years old going abroad for the rest of my career is looking more and more agreeable as long as the work environment is tolerable and the lifestyle is decent
Thanks in advance
Are you currently at AUH? I ask because I just did the DEC interview for the A-320, I have been accepted and just had questions about work environment, quality of life, does your family like it etc. My family and myself did 2 years in china and they loved it, I realize that the UAE is a lot different but my wife mainly enjoyed hanging out with the other expat wives. Any thoughts would be appreciated, currently I am in the US at a major carrier but a 300 from the bottom and 49 years old going abroad for the rest of my career is looking more and more agreeable as long as the work environment is tolerable and the lifestyle is decent
Thanks in advance
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Abu Dhabi is coming along. They host quite a few good concerts every year. They now have a golf tournament and tennis tournament. They have the Formula One race, Ferrari World, a new water park, etc.
That said, life on the A320 at Etihad can be quite tiring. The 320 does a lot of the night turn-around flying that goes on in the Gulf region. I think the path to happiness there is to get onto the bigger Airbii so that one has a better roster with long haul flying. That would probably take quite a few years for a DEC on the 320. The other option is to get into training to minimize the number of night turn-arounds.
TP
That said, life on the A320 at Etihad can be quite tiring. The 320 does a lot of the night turn-around flying that goes on in the Gulf region. I think the path to happiness there is to get onto the bigger Airbii so that one has a better roster with long haul flying. That would probably take quite a few years for a DEC on the 320. The other option is to get into training to minimize the number of night turn-arounds.
TP
Lets switch gears and talk about the Boeing side of the house...what are your thoughts on this? I'm going out for a screening on the Boeing side for FO, heading down this path instead of Emirates.
I believe you will find that the schedules will be similar at both airlines on the 777. Over here you will find that these places are all clones of the same pig wearing different color lipstick.
Plenty of 787s on the way to Etihad - I think I read 50+ 787-900s starting in 2014/5. If you want to fly a 787, Etihad would be one good candidate to see the world on it.
Not sure whether there are internal fleet transfers at Etihad - perhaps you could start on the 777 as an FO and then move over to the 787 as a Captain as they ramp-up the fleet. I think I read that a bunch of Air Berlin (Etihad partner) 738 pilots have moved over to Etihad on the 777 recently too - so they are hiring onto it.
Good luck!
Good luck! I hear from a friend in the region that they are hiring and they are definitely looking for people with widebody Boeing experience.
Even I would apply if I could get the keys to one of those incoming 787-900s in 2014 (and I could get my wife to move - not gonna happen)...
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check delta"s salary?
i think is very good second year FO pay
and you dont have to drag your family or yourself to a third word country with no protection or equal rights
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Delta's not hiring.
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I know several folks at both EK & EY, them and their families are having a great time and enjoying the experience. What works for some doesn't work for others and vice versa, I think it's pretty pretentious to try to tell people what's best for them, taking on an expat lifestyle is something that people think through, not something that's done just because. Assuming that everyone has a job at DAL, AA or UAL just for the taking is absurd, these companies hire under an administrative structure that has very little to do with your flight experience and personality, there are a lot of folks with great flight experience and great people that will have a very tough time trying to get with a major precisely because they are at an age and level of experience that some HR departments consider "difficult to train"
Starting at the bottom of the seniority is a young man's game, it comes a point when it is simply not viable to take the paycut, me for example, I took my rides in the majors "merry go round" a couple of times but now I'm at a point where I have very little interest in going back. The expat market does offer a good alternative for some, even if you don't agree with their choice.
Starting at the bottom of the seniority is a young man's game, it comes a point when it is simply not viable to take the paycut, me for example, I took my rides in the majors "merry go round" a couple of times but now I'm at a point where I have very little interest in going back. The expat market does offer a good alternative for some, even if you don't agree with their choice.
they will soon
my opinion ?
by november they will be interviewing
more MD90 and 717 are coming and only the hand few DC9 from Republic are gone
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That's a good opinion to have.
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If you have specific questions ask away and I'll give you the straight answer, aside from typhoon who has sage advice on life on work in the region, many people on here offer advice based on misinformation.
It's a rapidly changing company and there's a lot of good and bad, but certainly an interesting place to be
It's a rapidly changing company and there's a lot of good and bad, but certainly an interesting place to be
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Above all else, you and your family need to be content living with this kind of WX for 6 months of the year ...
2013/07/11 10 00 OMAA 111000Z 30013KT 9000 NSC 45/13 Q0994 A2937 NOSIG
And the temp is in C, which makes it a balmy 113F. For all practical purposes, any outdoor pursuits are horrible from May till August.
PS
1000Z in AUH is 1200 local. It'll get warmer than that in the afternoon, and in the evening the dewpoint will sneak up and say hi to the temp, probably around the 39C mark, giving you a wonderful example of humidity in the making. 95% of it, at 95F ....
2013/07/11 10 00 OMAA 111000Z 30013KT 9000 NSC 45/13 Q0994 A2937 NOSIG
And the temp is in C, which makes it a balmy 113F. For all practical purposes, any outdoor pursuits are horrible from May till August.
PS
1000Z in AUH is 1200 local. It'll get warmer than that in the afternoon, and in the evening the dewpoint will sneak up and say hi to the temp, probably around the 39C mark, giving you a wonderful example of humidity in the making. 95% of it, at 95F ....
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as a visitor, i prefer auh to dxb...not so into the dxb bling. if i lived there..not sure.
Qatar and doha are supposed to be not as good as ek/ey, but i have a friend w/ wife and they like qatar and they like doha. they r NOT american, tho, and used to living away from the home countrry.
also, ey has THE best in-flight crew blankets! i think u should go to ey because of theblamkets!!!
Qatar and doha are supposed to be not as good as ek/ey, but i have a friend w/ wife and they like qatar and they like doha. they r NOT american, tho, and used to living away from the home countrry.
also, ey has THE best in-flight crew blankets! i think u should go to ey because of theblamkets!!!
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Age is an issue I'm afraid, for what I have seen the maximum age is between 55-57 at most places, there are other jobs that don't have a published age limit (like Air Japan for example) but most places do have a maximum age limit and at least in Asia, those minimums are written in stone!
But by all means, apply and see what happens! Don't just go by what you read in any pilot website!
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