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Aero Science degree w/ outside ratings
Just wanted to clarify that you can enter ERAU (at least PRC campus) with advanced ratings and earn an Aeronautical Science degree. The catch is that you will have to pass a check-ride for that same rating at ERAU in order to get credit for the course. Many individuals who attempt this route spend a great deal of money getting proficient to the Riddle standard. This doesn't mean that they don't know how to fly but instead have not been trained with Riddle's values in place, i.e. airline style checklists etc.
Just wanted to clarify that you can enter ERAU (at least PRC campus) with advanced ratings and earn an Aeronautical Science degree. The catch is that you will have to pass a check-ride for that same rating at ERAU in order to get credit for the course. Many individuals who attempt this route spend a great deal of money getting proficient to the Riddle standard. This doesn't mean that they don't know how to fly but instead have not been trained with Riddle's values in place, i.e. airline style checklists etc.
As a Riddle Alumni I had to put my two cents in on this one.
1.) I dont regret going to ERAU (Graduated in 1992), but like many posts have said, it is VERY expensive! I am still paying off the student loans. The education was good and I had some very quality instructors and a few I didnt get along with. However, at the time the price per course reflected an amount of flight hours for a WAY above average student and I incurred additional costs in extra training. (Dont know if this has changed since then). Also I WAS NOT happy with their career center once I graduated. However, when I returned in 1998 to obtain my CFI-CFII it had improved dramatically. It also appears the alumni network is improving also.
2.) There are other quality flight schools out there, where if cost is an object, you might want to think about. I have personally flown with people from UND (University of North Dakota) and Western Michigan and they were all quality flyers. I didnt see a great difference between them and Riddle guys. I have also seen good,professional pilots who got their ratings at a local FBO. So, I dont think it is so much the school as the quality of the instructor.
3.) Many people say the Riddle name will give you an edge in finding a job. I only found this true with the early part of my career. The fact is that getting a good pilot job is more a function of: Experience, hours, ratings and how well you network. Whether you went to ERAU or the school of hard knocks (As long as you have a degree) is irrelevant.
4.) Finally, before you undertake this career, make sure you REALLY LOVE IT! If you are trying to be a pilot for the money, then go to something else. The road (especially on the civillian side) is long and often hard. It takes time to get into the jets, unless you are VERY lucky. Flying is more a passion than a career and you have to be dedicated to it nearly 100 percent. If you do decide to enter this field and you love it then wellcome to an exclusive club that I am proud to belong to.
Good luck in your career.
1.) I dont regret going to ERAU (Graduated in 1992), but like many posts have said, it is VERY expensive! I am still paying off the student loans. The education was good and I had some very quality instructors and a few I didnt get along with. However, at the time the price per course reflected an amount of flight hours for a WAY above average student and I incurred additional costs in extra training. (Dont know if this has changed since then). Also I WAS NOT happy with their career center once I graduated. However, when I returned in 1998 to obtain my CFI-CFII it had improved dramatically. It also appears the alumni network is improving also.
2.) There are other quality flight schools out there, where if cost is an object, you might want to think about. I have personally flown with people from UND (University of North Dakota) and Western Michigan and they were all quality flyers. I didnt see a great difference between them and Riddle guys. I have also seen good,professional pilots who got their ratings at a local FBO. So, I dont think it is so much the school as the quality of the instructor.
3.) Many people say the Riddle name will give you an edge in finding a job. I only found this true with the early part of my career. The fact is that getting a good pilot job is more a function of: Experience, hours, ratings and how well you network. Whether you went to ERAU or the school of hard knocks (As long as you have a degree) is irrelevant.
4.) Finally, before you undertake this career, make sure you REALLY LOVE IT! If you are trying to be a pilot for the money, then go to something else. The road (especially on the civillian side) is long and often hard. It takes time to get into the jets, unless you are VERY lucky. Flying is more a passion than a career and you have to be dedicated to it nearly 100 percent. If you do decide to enter this field and you love it then wellcome to an exclusive club that I am proud to belong to.
Good luck in your career.
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Being Riddleized
Some of us preferred training zero-time students the Riddle way instead of having students who already had ratings. It was easier to train a student ab initio than for having an already-rated student unlearn old habits and learn Riddle.
By the same token, I saw the same thing at MAPD. We had new students come in and challenge the Private Pilot course. All of the ones of whom I was aware failed. Mesa teaches airline procedures from the very beginning, including callouts which students much verbalize. That is challenging. I would say, however, that perhaps some of these challengers were failed because Mesa wanted to make all the money it could off them. On the other hand, I sincerely believe that new ERAU students with ratings were given a fair shot to pass.
This is very true. I was a PRC instructor in the late '80s-early '90s. We had a number of students who came in with ratings. They were given a short flight course and a stage check. We were told not to Riddleize these students, but we couldn't help it. I gave stage checks to a few and they simply couldn't cut it. They ended up taking FA 104 and 105 (now FA 110?), even though they had Private certificates. I also recall giving a stage check to a transferee who already had his multi ratings. He couldn't cut it to Riddle standards, much less the PTS.Dutch said:
Some of us preferred training zero-time students the Riddle way instead of having students who already had ratings. It was easier to train a student ab initio than for having an already-rated student unlearn old habits and learn Riddle.
By the same token, I saw the same thing at MAPD. We had new students come in and challenge the Private Pilot course. All of the ones of whom I was aware failed. Mesa teaches airline procedures from the very beginning, including callouts which students much verbalize. That is challenging. I would say, however, that perhaps some of these challengers were failed because Mesa wanted to make all the money it could off them. On the other hand, I sincerely believe that new ERAU students with ratings were given a fair shot to pass.
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at daytona
As long as you have completed your ratings prior to the beggining of the semester you apply for advanced standing.
I did this for my private, got the credt and didn't have to re-take anything or have a Riddle checkout. I did have to take Aeronautics 1, which is basically a PPL groundschool, but it was an easy A.
As of now, you have to complete one flight course in residence in order to graduate from Riddle with Aerosci at Daytona.
So get everything out of the way and do your multi here, and you'd be fine.
For the folks who thought it was expensive try this on for size, I started at this school in 2000, tuition was somewhere around 6500 a semester. Incoming freshman this year will pay 10,000 a semester.
The price of a C-172 went from 145 with instructor to somewhere around 176.
As long as you have completed your ratings prior to the beggining of the semester you apply for advanced standing.
I did this for my private, got the credt and didn't have to re-take anything or have a Riddle checkout. I did have to take Aeronautics 1, which is basically a PPL groundschool, but it was an easy A.
As of now, you have to complete one flight course in residence in order to graduate from Riddle with Aerosci at Daytona.
So get everything out of the way and do your multi here, and you'd be fine.
For the folks who thought it was expensive try this on for size, I started at this school in 2000, tuition was somewhere around 6500 a semester. Incoming freshman this year will pay 10,000 a semester.
The price of a C-172 went from 145 with instructor to somewhere around 176.
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When I was at Riddle it was $135 per credit hour (what an outrage!) and a C-172 was $50 solo / $75 dual. The Seminoles were $90 solo (Yes, we got to solo them) and $115 dual.
At the time the credit price was on the high side, but the rental/dual prices were only "slightly" higher than average.
ktulu34535 said:
When I was at Riddle it was $135 per credit hour (what an outrage!) and a C-172 was $50 solo / $75 dual. The Seminoles were $90 solo (Yes, we got to solo them) and $115 dual.
At the time the credit price was on the high side, but the rental/dual prices were only "slightly" higher than average.
Hello,
I am just going off to college so I a year ago was also looking into finding a flight school to attend. My original plan of going AFROTC did not pan out so I then looked at flight schools. Last fall, I took a trip to Embry Riddle in Prescott to look at their electrical engineering department. At the same time, I also looked at their flight school and found out about their program. It looks like a good place but quite expensive. I got accepted for electrical engineering there with a 3.95 gpa. I applied to UND after hearing about their excellent program. I got accepted and that is where I will be attending. In June, I took a trip to UND as well. I can honestly say that I am much more happy going to UND. UND is a real college with a real campus. Their program appears to be quite strong and I look forward to the years ahead. It also being a state school, is a better bargain than Embry. If you are looking at schools, don't count out UND, because there is a reason there are about 1000 kids in their aviation program. I have a check ride in 2 days. Ah! bye
I am just going off to college so I a year ago was also looking into finding a flight school to attend. My original plan of going AFROTC did not pan out so I then looked at flight schools. Last fall, I took a trip to Embry Riddle in Prescott to look at their electrical engineering department. At the same time, I also looked at their flight school and found out about their program. It looks like a good place but quite expensive. I got accepted for electrical engineering there with a 3.95 gpa. I applied to UND after hearing about their excellent program. I got accepted and that is where I will be attending. In June, I took a trip to UND as well. I can honestly say that I am much more happy going to UND. UND is a real college with a real campus. Their program appears to be quite strong and I look forward to the years ahead. It also being a state school, is a better bargain than Embry. If you are looking at schools, don't count out UND, because there is a reason there are about 1000 kids in their aviation program. I have a check ride in 2 days. Ah! bye
PHEW, I'm glad I was hired by an airline before you posted...
Wouldn't want my company finding out I did not go to a "real" college. Does this mean my degree isn't real either?
The way a school looks on the outside does not mean anything. It's the education you get on the inside that matters. (Even if it's not aviation releated). I'm not saying that one school is better than the other, but do more research before you start bashing something. Did you visit the Daytona campus? Does the Daytona campus look like a community college also?
Wouldn't want my company finding out I did not go to a "real" college. Does this mean my degree isn't real either?
The way a school looks on the outside does not mean anything. It's the education you get on the inside that matters. (Even if it's not aviation releated). I'm not saying that one school is better than the other, but do more research before you start bashing something. Did you visit the Daytona campus? Does the Daytona campus look like a community college also?
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Riddle campuses
Last I knew, both Riddles were accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Universities. The Southern Association is one of the accrediting bodies recognized by the Department of Education. Any school accredited by one of these bodies is a "real" college.T/SF34/A said:
I worked at ERAU in Prescott for 2 1/2 years and visited Daytona. For one thing, Daytona is a bigger school than Prescott. I believe that the Prescott campus was the old Prescott College facility, which was not a community college. Also, the Prescott campus reflects a Southwestern-style archetecture.
I just graduated from a community college and as far as I know, it is considered a real college. Next week, I will start pursuing my bachelors degree through ERAU's distance learning online program. Both programs offered real degrees from accredited schools, the only difference I see (besides the physical location) is that it will be a lot less money to complete my education.
Get a non-aviation degree
You're nuts to go to Riddle in this day and age. I went there and graduated in 1982. While the education was fine, I found it contributed very little to my success. My success was due to hard work, timing, luck, and persistence....had nothing to do with Riddle or my training there. Save your money and get a degree in something you enjoy besides flying. Get your ratings at a local flight school. Going to Riddle allowed me to check the box on the app that says "I have a degree"....that's about it.
The one exception is the internships that these big schools participate in....they can be very valuable if you're lucky enough to get in one.
You're nuts to go to Riddle in this day and age. I went there and graduated in 1982. While the education was fine, I found it contributed very little to my success. My success was due to hard work, timing, luck, and persistence....had nothing to do with Riddle or my training there. Save your money and get a degree in something you enjoy besides flying. Get your ratings at a local flight school. Going to Riddle allowed me to check the box on the app that says "I have a degree"....that's about it.
The one exception is the internships that these big schools participate in....they can be very valuable if you're lucky enough to get in one.
I don't think I'm nuts for getting a degree from ERAU. You said it yourself that the education aspect was fine. Thats exactly why I am taking thier online classes. The cost to attend ERAU's online program is $164.00 per credit unit, in my opinion that is very competetive, if not low in comparison to a lot of other schools. As a matter of fact, so far, 2 years of community college (done in 1 1/2 yrs with a 3.75GPA) along with classes online through ERAU (I figure another 1 1/2 yrs to complete) will cost me a grand total of 15K. Thats very inexpensive in my opinion. I do agree with you regarding the flight training aspect, I have been training at a local FBO for about 2 yrs and now have COMM/SEL/INST and will be getting my multi add on next week. As for your success, I believe that most anyone who is succesfull can attribute thier success to hard work, timing, luck and persistence. Attending ANY school does not guarantee you success with maybe the exception of an ivy league school, but even then you will still need to work hard if you intend to keep your job. Being able to check the "I have a degree' box is really what matters to most employers anyhow as a way to weed out applicants, many professers and human resource people have told me that 1) employers do not really care what your degree is in and 2) having a degree just shows that you have the ability to complete a program of study, nothing more or nothing less. I feel that for myself, ERAU is an excellent choice, since most of the subjects offered are interesting to me, their reputation is good, the price is right, and I can complete the program in a time-frame of my choosing. I would like to ask you what other school could give me this much value for the cost I have previously mentioned?
None really...
"I would like to ask you what other school could give me this much value for the cost I have previously mentioned?"
I failed to consider the on-line degree, fly at the flight school option. I would say that training in a non-aviation degree/area would be of much more value in today's envirnoment. However, if you do pursue an aviation degree, I can't think of a better way to do it than ERAU on-line and fly at the local flight school. I think your doing fine....
"I would like to ask you what other school could give me this much value for the cost I have previously mentioned?"
I failed to consider the on-line degree, fly at the flight school option. I would say that training in a non-aviation degree/area would be of much more value in today's envirnoment. However, if you do pursue an aviation degree, I can't think of a better way to do it than ERAU on-line and fly at the local flight school. I think your doing fine....
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As many people knock on Riddle, and I do from time to time, no where is perfect, but the reason i chose Riddle was for quite a few reasions...
1) I could go to Comair Academy for 2 years or so... get all my ratings, but get stuck at a regional for a career.
2) Go to a Division 1 University, and probably drink myself out after the first semester.
3) Riddle.. 15 hours a day of nothing but flying
What do i mean about 20 hours... 5 hour flight block, 5 hours of academics, a few hours for extra cir. (flight team) and then study/homework for a few hours. If i went to a non flying university, i would not have my head in the "game" the entire time, i would have to drive to get to an airport to go fly, were i could walk 10 minutes from my dorm room. I wouldnt be where i am now at my current job if it wasnt for Riddle... Like everyone says, its all who you know. One more point... All my friends/roommates have jobs out with the airlines, 121/135... those are contacts... letters of recomendations... people you never delete or lose phone numbers from.
So you can choose a D-1 school, enjoy seeing your football team bury the other, unbelieable partys, or stay on a straight path, bust your butt for 4 years. (in no way am i suggesting that ERAU is boring, and nothing never goes on there)
1) I could go to Comair Academy for 2 years or so... get all my ratings, but get stuck at a regional for a career.
2) Go to a Division 1 University, and probably drink myself out after the first semester.
3) Riddle.. 15 hours a day of nothing but flying
What do i mean about 20 hours... 5 hour flight block, 5 hours of academics, a few hours for extra cir. (flight team) and then study/homework for a few hours. If i went to a non flying university, i would not have my head in the "game" the entire time, i would have to drive to get to an airport to go fly, were i could walk 10 minutes from my dorm room. I wouldnt be where i am now at my current job if it wasnt for Riddle... Like everyone says, its all who you know. One more point... All my friends/roommates have jobs out with the airlines, 121/135... those are contacts... letters of recomendations... people you never delete or lose phone numbers from.
So you can choose a D-1 school, enjoy seeing your football team bury the other, unbelieable partys, or stay on a straight path, bust your butt for 4 years. (in no way am i suggesting that ERAU is boring, and nothing never goes on there)
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