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g159av8tor

g159av8tor

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This was referred to me by a close friend. He is having obvious problems trying to fill it. The job is at Aaron Rents in Atlanta:

"Insurance requirements are (Commercial, Multi, Instrument, 750 PIC, 250 PIC Multi, 50 turbine) willing to work for a starting pay of 25K. No formal school given for the King Air 200. This is for an SIC position."

If interested, PM me and I'll give you the contact info.

Tailwinds...
 
This post has put me into rant mode, and I apologize, because I really don't know anything about this particular job and whether it is a good opportunity, so the following is aimed more at "this type of job" than this one in particular...

However, a bit of free advice for people looking for "entry level" turbine jobs.

If you can't log it don't do it. Period. It's a waste of your time, and you could be earning $25k doing just about anything else. The fact that they are not sending you to training sends a message... you aren't actually expected to do anything except maybe polish the spinners and stock the mini-bar. You might think you will eventually upgrade to Captain on the King Air but the answer is "not likely". You will never meet the minimum times for insurance because none of your time will be loggable. If you try to log it (dual received or some such) your logbook will soon look like a sham and you'll get kicked out of regional interviews. I've seen it!

If you have the time this job requires you are already qualified for much better jobs! Most any regional will take you, or you could be a legitimate SIC for a 135 operation.
 
ackattacker said:
This post has put me into rant mode, and I apologize, because I really don't know anything about this particular job and whether it is a good opportunity, so the following is aimed more at "this type of job" than this one in particular...

However, a bit of free advice for people looking for "entry level" turbine jobs.

If you can't log it don't do it. Period. It's a waste of your time, and you could be earning $25k doing just about anything else. The fact that they are not sending you to training sends a message... you aren't actually expected to do anything except maybe polish the spinners and stock the mini-bar. You might think you will eventually upgrade to Captain on the King Air but the answer is "not likely". You will never meet the minimum times for insurance because none of your time will be loggable. If you try to log it (dual received or some such) your logbook will soon look like a sham and you'll get kicked out of regional interviews. I've seen it!

If you have the time this job requires you are already qualified for much better jobs! Most any regional will take you, or you could be a legitimate SIC for a 135 operation.
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Hey man, I'm just the messenger trying to help a buddy of mine. Believe you me, I know this is not a pretty picture. But someone wanting to take it for what it's worth and get into the ATL corporate world, this could lead to bigger and better things. Anyone with some negotiating skill could possibly get more. Go to a regional and make less money and then try to get into business flying. Charter would be a better route than regional flying, but most 135 in ATL suck as much as this sh1t sandwich I'm hawking. I do agree that anyone with the mins is qualified for a better job.

And as part 91 is concerned, how is this flying not loggable?

Tailwinds...
 
g159av8tor said:
The CA is not single pilot qualified or some such. Why I do not know. He has minimum 10000 in turbo props.

Tailwinds...
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This is really fishy. There is no FAR that says a BE-200 needs an SIC. I friend of mine flew for Aarons and I was under the assumption that they have a BE-300?????????????????/
 
None of the King Air series requires an SIC its all type certified for single pilot ops.

Now insurance may require the company to have 2 pilots in the cockpit, but that dosn't mean the guy in the right seat can log SIC time. Your just there as a warm body to make some insurance guy happy.
 
But if the Captain will let you fly legs, approaches, etc. it IS loggable if you are the sole manipulator of the controls, since you have the ME rating. Of course, if it's really a KA-300, that's a different story. If the guy in the left seat is a prick who doesn't want you to do anything but cleanup, it might be a little tough.
 
no king air is type certificated for 2 crew, I could be wrong wouldn't be the first and Im sure it will not be the last.

Anyway to get the type certification for king airs some where on the net
 
Magic1872 said:
no king air is type certificated for 2 crew, I could be wrong wouldn't be the first and Im sure it will not be the last.

Anyway to get the type certification for king airs some where on the net
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I haven't taken the time to look it up but I think the 300's and 350's are certified under both part 23 and part 25 depending upon how many seats are installed... if you have more than 9 pax seats then you need two pilots. Again this from hazy memory...
 
PC12Cowboy said:
Magic.
the KA 300 and 350 do require two pilots , but have the ability to get single pilot qualified
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its the other way around. the plane requires ONE pilot, but that ONE pilot can be required to have an SIC...
 
PM Sent

I'm interested. I would want to see some clarification on the SIC requirement, but from where I'm sitting any job is better than no job. PM Sent.
 
Guys,
I hope some of you have glass bellybuttons . . . 'cause you've got your heads way up your *****! Yes, some King Airs require two pilots and a type rating. The 200 does not. However, the insurance underwriter may require two pilots for the airplane. Especially, considering the amount of liability insurance that a company like Aaron's is going to carry for their executive pax. This is also a great time building gig for anyone who has the foresight to take the job. The pay is slightly low, but it is probonly more than you could ever make as a CFI. And yes, you can log all the time you are on the stick.
 
Magic1872 said:
None of the King Air series requires an SIC its all type certified for single pilot ops.

Now insurance may require the company to have 2 pilots in the cockpit, but that dosn't mean the guy in the right seat can log SIC time. Your just there as a warm body to make some insurance guy happy.
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Well, I disagree with you on that one. I currently fly a 350 and one of our pilots is typed but does not have the single pilot endorsement. With that said, he requires a SIC to be legal.

Just my .02
 
It's a great way to build time and get your foot in the door. Also, remember that even though "you can't log it," you CAN log ANYTHING you want to in your logbook as long as your not trying to prove that time as required time for an FAA license or requirement.
 
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