Endeavor

[Movin' on up!]

How long to upgrade at Endeavor? And are all pilots guaranteed an interview or job with Delta?
Thanks for info. Please no arguing or otherwise bad comments on this company or other companies.

 

[higney85]

3-4 years for a new hire today. That of course depends on hiring and any other type of global unrest.

 

[i fly boxes]

It's just interviews that are guaranteed no jobs but it's a descent program if they can get it to work. Those hired would actually be at mainline way faster than a flow through where everyone goes

 

[altimaklr]

I'm curious how this 3-4 year upgrade number continues to propagate. Maybe I am missing something, but the only firm fleet plan is for 81 CRJ900s. This will require roughly 400-500 captains, which 9E already has and mostly likely are not planning on leaving.

I don't think it would be wrong to promote 9E as a good place to go if your dream is to work for Delta, and it's probably the quickest way to get there. It also offers good compensation for FO's relative to other regionals. But I wouldn't go there expecting to get PIC time until Delta puts additional airframes in writing, not vague statements like "we'll keep as many as we can staff."

 

[gojo]

I'm curious how this 3-4 year upgrade number continues to propagate. Maybe I am missing something, but the only firm fleet plan is for 81 CRJ900s. This will require roughly 400-500 captains, which 9E already has and mostly likely are not planning on leaving.

I don't think it would be wrong to promote 9E as a good place to go if your dream is to work for Delta, and it's probably the quickest way to get there. It also offers good compensation for FO's relative to other regionals. But I wouldn't go there expecting to get PIC time until Delta puts additional airframes in writing, not vague statements like "we'll keep as many as we can staff."

Which regional sans Compass can put additional airframes in writing? PSA maybe too, but I wouldn't bank on them keeping all those planes they've been promised for long. Envoy, Repupubic, ExpessJets, and maybe Skywest will all Probabaly end up smaller. I say maybe Skywest because they might use move planes and pilots over from ExpressJets to keep them growing. My point is Endeavor is almost through with that process, and there are only two things that can happen once you hit rock bottom

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Which regional sans Compass can put additional airframes in writing? PSA maybe too, but I wouldn't bank on them keeping all those planes they've been promised for long. Envoy, Repupubic, ExpessJets, and maybe Skywest will all Probabaly end up smaller. I say maybe Skywest because they might use move planes and pilots over from ExpressJets to keep them growing. My point is Endeavor is almost through with that process, and there are only two things that can happen once you hit rock bottom

A ride to the hospital or the morgue? :erm:

 

[altimaklr]

Which regional sans Compass can put additional airframes in writing? PSA maybe too, but I wouldn't bank on them keeping all those planes they've been promised for long. Envoy, Repupubic, ExpessJets, and maybe Skywest will all Probabaly end up smaller. I say maybe Skywest because they might use move planes and pilots over from ExpressJets to keep them growing. My point is Endeavor is almost through with that process, and there are only two things that can happen once you hit rock bottom

The difference is Delta has pretty much allocated all the large RJ's allowed per scope. They recently awarded some new Ejet flying to RP. Since 9E is wholly owned, they can't diversify and seek business from other carriers like Skywest and Compass has.

 

[xjhawk]

Even with 400 captains for just 81 aircraft there are 3/4 of those captains who will want and have yearly interviews with Delta and as the hiring picks up throughout the industry, they will be leaving or trying to leave. Opening up movement forFO's. Endeavor used to have the worst pay and QOL given our bankruptcy contract but now just add $20,000 onto everyone's payscales at endeavor which makes it good money when compared to other regionals. Add that we have leg by leg pay protection, cancelation pay, hotels are greatly improving, a great training department, and at a minimum of two shots at a delta interview, it's not a bad choice to come to Endeavor.

What do we have to work on? Well we need to turn the corner and start upgrading now that they are actually hiring. Electronic flight bags (tablets) because our backs are killing us getting in and out of RJ's with that thing. Better commuting rules (deadhead swaps from other bases), sick time accrual (2.5 hours a month) - gives a pilot about 1 four day trip of paid sick time while our mainline brothers and sisters get over 5 times as much and they start out with more days off and less trips flown. Finally, one of our senior captains said it best when talking about the bonus payment "if they give us another $10,000 a year, then we will almost be back to our (Mesaba) pay rates from before the fake bankruptcy." He forgot to mention better reserve rules, better 401k to also bring us back to pre bankruptcy levels etc etc.

If I were looking for a job with potential, good pay for a regional, lived in MsP DTW or NYC or an easy commute to any of the three, and a desire to work for the most profitable, stable, best managed mainline carrier out there (Delta) who treats and pays their pilots the best, I would come work at Endeavor Air.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Even with 400 captains for just 81 aircraft there are 3/4 of those captains who will want and have yearly interviews with Delta and as the hiring picks up throughout the industry, they will be leaving or trying to leave. Opening up movement forFO's. Endeavor used to have the worst pay and QOL given our bankruptcy contract but now just add $20,000 onto everyone's payscales at endeavor which makes it good money when compared to other regionals. Add that we have leg by leg pay protection, cancelation pay, hotels are greatly improving, a great training department, and at a minimum of two shots at a delta interview, it's not a bad choice to come to Endeavor.

What do we have to work on? Well we need to turn the corner and start upgrading now that they are actually hiring. Electronic flight bags (tablets) because our backs are killing us getting in and out of RJ's with that thing. Better commuting rules (deadhead swaps from other bases), sick time accrual (2.5 hours a month) - gives a pilot about 1 four day trip of paid sick time while our mainline brothers and sisters get over 5 times as much and they start out with more days off and less trips flown. Finally, one of our senior captains said it best when talking about the bonus payment "if they give us another $10,000 a year, then we will almost be back to our (Mesaba) pay rates from before the fake bankruptcy." He forgot to mention better reserve rules, better 401k to also bring us back to pre bankruptcy levels etc etc.

If I were looking for a job with potential, good pay for a regional, lived in MsP DTW or NYC or an easy commute to any of the three, and a desire to work for the most profitable, stable, best managed mainline carrier out there (Delta) who treats and pays their pilots the best, I would come work at Endeavor Air.

It's a shame they treat all the contract employees like crap though.

 

[xjhawk]

No kidding! It should be embarrassing for them- but .......

 

[Twisted Mind]

It should be embarrassing for ALPA- but....

 

[Dutch]

Im glad to have the extra cash but my QOL is as bad as its ever been in 11 years of airline work.

 

[jynxyjericho]

I was surprised at the Delta turnaround on the pay. If the classes don't fill up due to pay, will they shut Endeavor down? Here's hoping you all get to keep the new pay and get more until you can move on to someplace not pwned by Delta.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Delta is obligated to operate Endeavor with 81 airplanes until 2020.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Delta is obligated to operate Endeavor with 81 airplanes until 2020.

They were obligated to pay a pension too.

Look I'm being snarky. I hope the best for Endeavor guys

 

[Clutch]

Not me.

 

[Freebrd]

Not me.

Of course not clutchy.....

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Delta is obligated to operate Endeavor with 81 airplanes until 2020.

To whom is Delta obliged?

 

[flyboyike]

It's just interviews that are guaranteed no jobs but it's a descent program if they can get it to work.

More like a climb program, I'da thought...

 

[Flyer1015]

Go to PSA or TSA instead.

 

[flyboyike]

To whom is Delta obliged?

To me, of course, for nearly seven years of selfless Delta Connection flying with two airlines, but I've already told them they're welcome, so it's all good.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

To me, of course, for nearly seven years of selfless Delta Connection flying with two airlines, but I've already told them they're welcome, so it's all good.

Well, obviously they were obliged to operate an airline for you. :beer:

I was thinking about the legal tentacles, was it part of the bankruptcy ruling? Otherwise, what's the deal? "Delta can't wind us down! We'll sue the crap out of ourselves!"

 

[flyboyike]

I was thinking about the legal tentacles, was it part of the bankruptcy ruling? Otherwise, what's the deal? "Delta can't wind us down! We'll sue the crap out of ourselves!"

Yeah, probably something like that. Kinda similar to the sentiment some of the more seasoned citizens at a certain CVG-based regional I once used to fly for would express to the effect "Delta can't shut us down, we provide an INVALUABLE service to Delta". I used to reply "I'm not even sure Delta provides an INVALUABLE service to Delta anymore, but alas..." Made me very unpopular in some circles...

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Whelp, sometimes being right sucks - but not nearly as hard as being wrong.

 

[xjhawk]

Delta is obligated to operate Endeavor with 81 airplanes until 2020.

Thats what the Bridge Agreement states but as we all know when dealing with corporate america (and look at how all our other deals were written), that we may think we have a deal until 2020, but there is most likely a back door for Delta to use if we don't suit their needs.

The Legacy 9E pilots all said they had their precious CRJ 200 agreement locked up for ten years, but........

We were told 12 pilots a month are obligated to go to Delta according to the language of our SSP......wait, even our ALPA attorneys agree that Delta can withhold our pilots and send them later......

All I am saying is expectations of a contract...... lets just say the corporate attorneys are on a higher level than those of our ALPA ones.

 

[flyboyike]

Whelp, sometimes being right sucks - but not nearly as hard as being wrong.

Actually, what sucks the most is being right about things you'd much rather be wrong about, something that happens to me a lot...

 

[A-10_JetMech]

Question for Higney85: Any word on the status of mx rescuing some of the 200's from the sand box? You previously mentioned this. 4 more 200's were just sent this past week. Down to 47 left on ops spec. Maybe they will bring back the newer planes that were sent way earlier. Or maybe they are just blowing smoke. From what we hear the attrition to new hires is a wash. Sounds like enough to keep 900's staffed. Maybe the 200's can stay staffed at least til the end of 2015. Or they are hoping this retention bonus can position the company for the options of 30 more 900's.

 

[higney85]

Question for Higney85: Any word on the status of mx rescuing some of the 200's from the sand box? You previously mentioned this. 4 more 200's were just sent this past week. Down to 47 left on ops spec. Maybe they will bring back the newer planes that were sent way earlier. Or maybe they are just blowing smoke. From what we hear the attrition to new hires is a wash. Sounds like enough to keep 900's staffed. Maybe the 200's can stay staffed at least til the end of 2015. Or they are hoping this retention bonus can position the company for the options of 30 more 900's.

Latest is going down to 16 -200 lines of flying and then back up to 20-24 once the training pipeline gets going and the SSP commitment gets caught up. Subject to change of course. The current plan IS to keep -200's now, which is a positive change, but I doubt anything will be publicly stated until the training pipeline shows the signs of remaining constant.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

If we are going to only keep 16 lines, which crew base gets the ax, DTW or MSP?

 

[higney85]

If we are going to only keep 16 lines, which crew base gets the ax, DTW or MSP?

TBD.

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