Endeavor to hire 300-400

[Carl_Spackler]

Just announced.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Will be interesting to see how full the classes are.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

They are going to have to sweeten the pot somehow. FO pay capped at 4 years and no signing bonus. They better hope there are a lot of pilots that live with their parents in one of the bases.

I'd be willing to allow the company to offer signing bonuses in exchange for pre bk wages, no cap to increases and get the extra week of vacation back.

 

[jynxyjericho]

They are going to have to sweeten the pot somehow. FO pay capped at 4 years and no signing bonus. They better hope there are a lot of pilots that live with their parents in one of the bases.

I'd be willing to allow the company to offer signing bonuses in exchange for pre bk wages, no cap to increases and get the extra week of vacation back.

As far as I'm concerned they can backpay my ass.

 

[Dutch]

Can't understand how they think people will come here when current FO's are walking away from 6 years of seniority.

 

[VWDrvr21]

I'd rather work at Mcdonalds. At least you get free food.

 

[epic!]

Good luck with Endeavor. You can see how well it worked for Eagle (wanted 600, got 150 this year) and they are arguably a much better airline than these guys.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Good luck with Endeavor. You can see how well it worked for Eagle (wanted 600, got 150 this year) and they are arguably a much better airline than these guys.

Who is arguing? Eagle blows the doors off Endeavor.

Hell they will be in class for Endeavor, get the call from Compass, excuse themselves from class and walk down the hall to the one year upgrade in a 175. Fine, maybe two.

Just wait, somehow they'll get pilots. If they don't they'll just park us faster and pray.

 

[Clutch]

So, they're basically going to rehire the same a-holes that voted to be let go and also pay them 5 grand

 

[Flyer1015]

What pilot with an ATP and 1500 hrs is going to apply at Endeavor when other airlines offer much better prospects?

 

[propjob27]

Hey, not sure how it works nowadays ("graduated" from the commuters, as we called them, back in '03) but...

When I got into the regional gig, 1999, anyone could fill classes. Hell, I went to Great Lakes for F-sake. There were plenty of 1000 total / 100 multi CFIs (like me) who were single and were willing to go anywhere for some turbine time and to get out of the CFI grind. We went to the first place that called and the first place that said Yes.

We didnt necessarily view that place as a long term gig (I quit lakes after 6 months and went to a "better" commuter), but rather as just a way to get out of the CFI racket and make us more appealing to the "better" (hurts to use that word with respect to regional airlines) regionals out there.

Does the 1500 hour rule really change things that much? Are there now training contracts to stop a guy who is SO sick of CFI-ing from going to a crap regional, logging 500 turbine, and then jumping for Skywest etc?

Curious.

 

[Ridgeback]

Is it try that the MEC consists mostly of Pinnacle legacy, or what ever they call themselves?

If so GOD help them...I remember when Mesaba was a respectable company to work for and 9E was...well... RUNNING around a forest naked and trying really hard to get the 410 coffee club mug...

I can't help to think the ALPA MEC was somewhat responsible for each groups actions...

 

[jynxyjericho]

Hey, not sure how it works nowadays ("graduated" from the commuters, as we called them, back in '03) but...

When I got into the regional gig, 1999, anyone could fill classes. Hell, I went to Great Lakes for F-sake. There were plenty of 1000 total / 100 multi CFIs (like me) who were single and were willing to go anywhere for some turbine time and to get out of the CFI grind. We went to the first place that called and the first place that said Yes.

We didnt necessarily view that place as a long term gig (I quit lakes after 6 months and went to a "better" commuter), but rather as just a way to get out of the CFI racket and make us more appealing to the "better" (hurts to use that word with respect to regional airlines) regionals out there.

Does the 1500 hour rule really change things that much? Are there now training contracts to stop a guy who is SO sick of CFI-ing from going to a crap regional, logging 500 turbine, and then jumping for Skywest etc?

Curious.

Firstly I don't think you'll find anyone that under 10% of the list that views this or any regional as long term. It's just that no one thought it would be this long and this crazy.

Classes were tough to fill before the 1500 rule, that will limit applicants further. Most places have a year training contract (or they did back in '07) but then again Mesaba never did. Doesn't matter, most of the hiring pool available today isn't going to leave their crap regional to come to Endeavor, a crappier place with less pay (unless you are gojet's or republic whose contracts are worth slightly less because their soft pay blows) for first year pay and reserve. They can just stay at their regional and make the same money they've been making and upgrade in a year or two.

Right now, a lot of the hiring pool in the airlines has been Endeavor guys on the bottom of the list who were going to be furloughed with the parking of all the planes. They fixed the furlough problem by leaving faster than we could park them. Thus the new hiring. More are leaving in the coming weeks and months from a combination of; no trust in Delta, bitterness from the BK, paycuts which mean they can go to ASA/Eagle/Compass and make more money second year and have a line. I have a good line, if I go to reserve I'm out for the next regional hiring. I think you'll find many of us feel the same. Furthermore if an interview comes up and I get a conditional offer I'm giving my two weeks as well.

Endeavor isn't offering anything except to become the bottom of the list for the next year until we park enough airplanes that Delta is happy. After that you may be able to get off reserve but the pilot group total number will continue to shrink while the new hires never get a boost to QOL... and they'll be on the dying equipment.

 

[Minnesotan]

Is it try that the MEC consists mostly of Pinnacle legacy, or what ever they call themselves?

If so GOD help them...I remember when Mesaba was a respectable company to work for and 9E was...well... RUNNING around a forest naked and trying really hard to get the 410 coffee club mug...

I can't help to think the ALPA MEC was somewhat responsible for each groups actions...

I remember that now, the Pinnacle guy running around in the woods naked after getting it on with an FA of legal age and opposite sex. Yeah, that was right around the same time as the Mesaba pilot who got caught for trying to have sex with a 12 year old boy, that he thought was 14, which made it "ok".

 

[jynxyjericho]

I remember that now, the Pinnacle guy running around in the woods naked after getting it on with an FA of legal age and opposite sex. Yeah, that was right around the same time as the Mesaba pilot who got caught for trying to have sex with a 12 year old boy, that he thought was 14, which made it "ok".

I think I'll just pile on by reerencing hull losses. Or being paid on payday. Or having a contract. Or having a union group that worked for the pilots, not for more free beers and wings at Saucer on your dime. Or getting rid of our alter ego carrier big sky. Or having a flow and a good contract

But if you wanna reference the dregs of society. At least we got rid of our child molester from the SL I still see yours at the JFK crewroom. Personally I'd love it if both sides would give the 9e/9l/xj battle royal a rest.

Common everyone, let's get in our two minutes of hate. That's an Orwell reference kids.

 

[WIPilot]

I think I'll just pile on by reerencing hull losses. Or being paid on payday. Or having a contract. Or having a union group that worked for the pilots, not for more free beers and wings at Saucer on your dime. Or getting rid of our alter ego carrier big sky. Or having a flow and a good contract

But if you wanna reference the dregs of society. At least we got rid of our child molester from the SL I still see yours at the JFK crewroom. Personally I'd love it if both sides would give the 9e/9l/xj battle royal a rest.

Common everyone, let's get in our two minutes of hate. That's an Orwell reference kids.

Hammer, meet head of nail.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Friend there forwarded this internal email about the process… good luck to all the candidates



We are pleased to announce that we will begin recruiting new pilots and will begin accepting pilot applications on Oct. 1, 2013 the first time in more than 5 days.

Weve been doing a lot of work behind the scenes to prepare for our newest team members, and weve shared some information along the way about the process. But now that we have finalized the details, we want to disclose the hiring process with you, so that you can be aware of the procedure and share this information with future recruits.

Phase I Selecting the best

As you can imagine, since our last hiring phase, weve added some significant technology to our selection process in an effort to manage the anticipated volume of applicants, as well as help us identify those whose background and experience most closely align with our needs.

We will use state-of-the art software designed to evaluate applicants by virtue of the flight-related data they provide in their online application.

Additionally, candidates will complete an online assessment designed specifically for pilot selection. The criteria for this selection were designed using information gathered from dozens of current Endeavor Airlines pilots. Through their feedback, we developed a questionnaire that focuses on a candidates ability to assimilate well with both the Flight Department and the new Endeavor Airlines culture.

Phase II Determining the best fit

Selected candidates are asked to complete a video interview. Through this interview, we can better determine their interpersonal and communication skills, along with their ability to think on their feet. The strongest candidates are invited to meet with our team in person. During this time, candidates will undergo a two-day assessment that combines technology and personalized interaction with our Flight team, which will give them insight into their potential new company and allow us to realistically gauge their fit within our group.

Day 1, we will conduct a Pilot Skills Test (PST). The PST is a new, computerized evaluation program that measures the critical skills necessary to become an American pilot. Day 2 is dedicated to a two-part, face-to-face interview conducted by Captains and First Officers from all of our crew bases and members of the Pilot Selection Department. The questions are behavioral-based, and our goal is to get an accurate picture of a candidates demeanor and decision-making skills by learning about actual situations theyve encountered through their career.

Ultimately, this two-day assessment allows us the opportunity to learn more about our prospective new team member and for them to learn more about the Flight Department and American Airlines.

Phase III Waiting for the call

Once we have a complete picture of the candidate, the final step is to have their file evaluated by the Pilot Selection Board a panel made up of several members of the Flight Department, including the Vice President of Flight and Chief Pilot Line Operations. The approved candidates are then contacted by the Flight Department and given a conditional offer with Endeavor Airlines. We then schedule a medical exam and once the results are known, we will make the final call confirming our conditional offer.
We anticipate the entire process from the point that someone is identified by the automated process until they show up for orientation and training to be approximately two months.

We think we have a good process in place and were excited to be seeking out those individuals who not only possess the ability to do the job for which they interview, but who also possess a passionate desire to do it.
__________________

 

[Indy319FA]

Hey, not sure how it works nowadays ("graduated" from the commuters, as we called them, back in '03) but...

When I got into the regional gig, 1999, anyone could fill classes. Hell, I went to Great Lakes for F-sake. There were plenty of 1000 total / 100 multi CFIs (like me) who were single and were willing to go anywhere for some turbine time and to get out of the CFI grind. We went to the first place that called and the first place that said Yes.

We didnt necessarily view that place as a long term gig (I quit lakes after 6 months and went to a "better" commuter), but rather as just a way to get out of the CFI racket and make us more appealing to the "better" (hurts to use that word with respect to regional airlines) regionals out there.

Does the 1500 hour rule really change things that much? Are there now training contracts to stop a guy who is SO sick of CFI-ing from going to a crap regional, logging 500 turbine, and then jumping for Skywest etc?

Curious.

First to get hired with 1000/100 requires a restricted ATP. You have to have a Professional Pilot Degree from an approved program to do this. These programs range from $150,000-$250,000. The cost of this is driving many people out as government loans will only cover about 100K of that. College aviation programs and FBOs are ghost towns compared to what they were 10 years ago.

Qualified candidates are getting 3 and 4 job offers right now where you would jump all over one offer ten years ago. Lakes is struggling to fill classes because of this. The job marked is completely different from ten years ago and will continue this way well into next year as attrition skyrockets. Look for regionals to start offering increased bonuses to current 121 pilots and street captains late next year.

In short there are fewer and fewer pilots chasing more and more jobs. Don't know if you can call it a shortage yet, but it is starting to resemble one at the regional level. In shortages there is profit

 

[Tarzan]

............Ultimately, this two-day assessment allows us the opportunity to learn more about our prospective new team member and for them to learn more about the Flight Department and American Airlines...........

Your friend got the first American reference. He forgot this one.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Your friend got the first American reference. He forgot this one.

busted..damn it.