End of corporate tax breaks for jets?

[Praetorian]

Thats why they need unions.

Now concerning what people were promised. They should never have been promised. Government violated the Constitution and usurped "those powers not specifically delegated to the United States" that were "reserved to the States and to the People." To fix this problem, we cannot simply cut people off. But over time eliminate the programs and put people on notice now that in the future they will not exist as we return to Constitutional orthodoxy. Something like the Ryan plan. Move people from DEPENDENCE (slavery) on government, to Independence (Freedom).

Redistribution of Wealth (stealing) ... is not a power delegated to the United States. We should not be raising taxes (taking money away from people who it belongs to) to give to people who the money does not belong to. The money does not belong to someone just because they need a hip replacement or have cancer ... etc.. The money belongs to people who would ride on those jets to Aspen.

So would Swift:

It is a melancholy object to those, who walk through this great town, or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads and cabbin-doors crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags, and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in stroling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants who, as they grow up, either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country, to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

I think it is agreed by all parties, that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom, a very great additional grievance; and therefore whoever could find out a fair, cheap and easy method of making these children sound and useful members of the common-wealth, would deserve so well of the publick, as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust.

I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food at a year old, in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes, as they have since gone through, by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor cloaths to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of intailing the like, or greater miseries, upon their breed for ever.

 

[gret]

Come again?

 

[gunfyter]

I have a "modest proposal". I propose we respect the Separation of Church and State. Charity is a function of the Church, NOT the State.

We don't need the government to step in to prevent the rich from eating your children.... I am pretty sure that you go directly to hell for that. Fast lane ... No wait in Purgatory.

 

[jetwash]

Thats why they need unions.

Now concerning what people were promised. They should never have been promised. Government violated the Constitution and usurped "those powers not specifically delegated to the United States" that were "reserved to the States and to the People." To fix this problem, we cannot simply cut people off. But over time eliminate the programs and put people on notice now that in the future they will not exist as we return to Constitutional orthodoxy. Something like the Ryan plan. Move people from DEPENDENCE (slavery) on government, to Independence (Freedom).

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I could not agree with you more.

We should be following the Constitution to the letter since that is what the founding fathers wanted!!!!

If it is in the Constitution it MUST be correct and must be followed!!!

Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution:

“ Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. ”

So Obama should have to only pay 3/5 of his tax bill since he is considered only 3/5 of a free person?


The constitution can't be wrong, or could it?

 

[jetwash]

If you wanna take that away from the military, then you better get ready for a draft. Because I would not have volunteered to make such sacrifices.

I have no problem with a draft that would put senators, congressmen, business men, stock brokers, and CEO's into the front lines. (I know that is not realistic because of their ages, but their children aren't) Maybe it's what this country needs.

That is exactly what the US needs Shared Sacrifice by rich and poor alike!!!!
The draft has my vote !!!!

 

[gunfyter]

Obama is not considered 3/5 of a free person. No one was ever considered 3/5ths of a free person. Direct Taxes are not Income taxes ... 16th Amendment removed any apportionment requirements for federal taxes.

Yes the Constitution is always right. The Constitution did not create slavery. It was an anti-slavery document that penalized slavery by not giving states full credit for persons not deemed free citizens by the individual states.

 

[glasspilot]

I am pretty sure that you go directly to hell for that. Fast lane ... No wait in Purgatory.

Well you would be wrong.

There is no going directly to hell or fast lane or wait. All those things require God and religion and other made up things to be true, of which there are none.

Boy FI is great. Politics AND religion all on a fractional thread! Kaizen.

 

[gunfyter]

Well then Glass ... I guess you have nothing to worry about if you eat the children of the poor as Jonathan Swift suggests. Bon appetit!

But thankfully, we have Obama to keep us all on a diet that is child-free.

 

[glasspilot]

I do not eat humans of any age. My post did not suggest otherwise. Do you have some sort of disability I should be aware of?

 

[Semore Butts]

The draft has my vote !!!!

Mine as well. However, as I said, they don't know how to go about it with the females.

 

[imacdog]

I could not agree with you more.

We should be following the Constitution to the letter since that is what the founding fathers wanted!!!!

If it is in the Constitution it MUST be correct and must be followed!!!

Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution:

“ Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. ”

So Obama should have to only pay 3/5 of his tax bill since he is considered only 3/5 of a free person?


The constitution can't be wrong, or could it?

I'm sure you knew that little nugget was added to prevent states condoning slavery to become too powerful through having more representatives.

 

[gunfyter]

I do not eat humans of any age. My post did not suggest otherwise. Do you have some sort of disability I should be aware of?

Yes the disability of being able to follow the continuity in a conversation.

Me: You go to hell for eating children.

You: You are wrong because there is no hell.

Me: I guess you don't have to worry about going to hell for eating children. You can eat all you want.

Of course, what Swift means by "Eating children", is not caring about the poor. And what Praetorian is saying is that Unless I am willing to steal money fro rich people (who fly jets to Aspen), I don't care about the poor.

Now, have I brought you up to speed?

 

[Praetorian]

I have a "modest proposal". I propose we respect the Separation of Church and State. Charity is a function of the Church, NOT the State.

We don't need the government to step in to prevent the rich from eating your children.... I am pretty sure that you go directly to hell for that. Fast lane ... No wait in Purgatory.

Main Entry: sat·ire
Pronunciation: \ˈsa-ˌtī(-ə)r\
Function: noun
Date: 1501
1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn
2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly

See also:

Concrete Thinking
Thought derived from the senses, which reflects experience rather than abstract reasoning.

 

[Pervis]

Well then Glass ... I guess you have nothing to worry about if you eat the children of the poor as Jonathan Swift suggests. Bon appetit!

But thankfully, we have Obama to keep us all on a diet that is child-free.

Gun, you do realize that went way over his head, don't you?

 

[gunfyter]

Main Entry: sat·ire
Pronunciation: \ˈsa-ˌtī(-ə)r\
Function: noun
Date: 1501
1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn
2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly

See also:

Concrete Thinking
Thought derived from the senses, which reflects experience rather than abstract reasoning.

The folly is the Folly of False Philanthropy.... It is not charity to give other peoples monies ... or force other people to give monies. Charity is giving your own money, voluntarily.

The Seductive Lure of Socialism

Here I encounter the most popular fallacy of our times. It is not considered sufficient that the law should be just; it must be philanthropic. Nor is it sufficient that the law should guarantee to every citizen the free and inoffensive use of his faculties for physical, intellectual, and moral selfimprovement. Instead, it is demanded that the law should directly extend welfare, education, and morality throughout the nation.

This is the seductive lure of socialism. And I repeat again: These two uses of the law are in direct contradiction to each other. We must choose between them. A citizen cannot at the same time be free and not free.
​

 

[gunfyter]

Gun, you do realize that went way over his head, don't you?

How about this.

If you were a Billionaire and you wanted to do the most good for humanity with or money when you die ... who would you leave it to? The poor? The US government?

Warren Buffett is leaving his money to the richest man in the world -- Bill Gates! Avoiding even the tax that would go to the US government.

Think about that.

To do good ... one should avoid taxes and give your money to the richest man in the world. Likewise, more good will be done, more jobs created, more children educated and fed, more families lifted out of poverty ... when money stays in the hands of the Rich (who fly to Aspen on private jets) than if the money is transferred to the government.

Buffett seems to understand this ... else why give his money to Gates instead of the tax man?

 

[Pervis]

I agree Gun. What I find most discusting is guys like Buffet complain about the fact that they don't pay nearly enough taxes, yet take advantage of every tax loophole there is.

These people feel so benevolent with other people's money, yet hoard their own. Why not send an extra check or two to the IRS for federal debt reduction? Just like our confounder in chief who says he can afford to pay more, yet in truth he never will. Put your money where your mouth is.

Why do most of us need to bleed while they demonstrate such hypocrisy? Because they have no intention of doing what's really necessary, but rather appeal to the lemmings known as their base. Those who will vote for those who believe in wealth redistribution rather than limiting government spending to that which it is allowed under that pesky little document called the constitution. It's about control, not leadership.

 

[G4dude]

Nomination time

It is time to make it official: Gunfyter for President. Other than union stuff, he is right on everything, best I can tell. I want to be VP, is that so wrong, Guns?

 

[BoilerUP]

I agree Gun. What I find most discusting is guys like Buffet complain about the fact that they don't pay nearly enough taxes, yet take advantage of every tax loophole there is.

To be clear, Buffett is not leaving his wealth to Bill Gates directly, but rather to the nonprofit, philanthropic Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

Not really any different than somebody leaving a large donation to a school or church...

 

[Pervis]

To be clear, Buffett is not leaving his wealth to Bill Gates directly, but rather to the nonprofit, philanthropic Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

Not really any different than somebody leaving a large donation to a school or church...

I'm refering to Buffet's complaint about the Bush tax cuts and his tax bill being less than his secretary's. Where he wills his money to I could care less. When he complains about taxes being too low yet refuses to pay what he feels is a "fare share" really irks me.