Emirates WWYD?

[KickItOut]

If you had less than 300 hours turbine PIC and an opportunity to fly for Emirates, would you take it or would you keep flying in the US until you got 1000 PIC hours and re-evaluate?

 

[atpcliff]

Make the BEST choice for yourself, and then move on and don't look back. No way to know for sure until you are retired, and can look back.

Not even God knows, because God gave humans free will, and we often decide to do a lot of crazy sh!t.

I knew a guy who was considering EK. I told him not to go unless he was 100% committed for 5 years (I think that is the time to be fully vested in their retirement plan-if you leave before then you leave a TON of money on the table!).

Another guy who works at EK and posts a lot, said that it typically is not a permanent job for Americans-I believe he said the longest time US guy has been there 12 years-before him one US guy went about 19 yrs 'til he left.

Dubai is a LOT different than the US, so it is a big change.

Only U can decide what is best for you!

God Bless and Namaste...

cliff
PHL

 

[Flyer1015]

God Bless and Namaste...

Wrong country!

 

[gromgutten]

If your time is under 55T, then it is all a waste as far as EK is concerned, and you should go now...

 

[Fubijaakr]

Go...go...GO! You'll be a 777 Capt in 6 months.

 

[iflysky]

Get your 1000 PIC first. It's your insurance policy. You can always go to EK/EY/QR afterwards as they will be hiring for years to come.

 

[the turtle]

agree. the only reason i can see that would make you choose ek now is your age......what's left on the clock for you?

 

[KickItOut]

Still have about 30 years in me. Although I agree with the 1000PIC insurance policy, what about having int'l heavy time, even as SIC? Would that be enough of an insurance policy? My thought is to let the mergers and acquisitions dust settle in the US, which could easily take 5 years, and still be marketable to come back to it when hiring is strong. I have already been an expat in S.E. Asia. I know that the US and Asia are still very different from Dubai, but I think I can definitely mold myself to new customs. Of course I wouldn't make any decisions until I actually visited the place.

 

[KickItOut]

Go...go...GO! You'll be a 777 Capt in 6 months.

Nice try.

 

[overseas boy]

EK will be hiring for at least the next 5 years. Defer defer defer and get your 1000 PIC.
If you have an offer keep putting back the class date, they will let you.

US majors have no requirement for international heavy SIC time, just 1000 PIC.

Ek is ok but you will want to leave eventually if you don't have the requirements to leave this place will drag you down.

 

[Kenny]

It's not always easy to return home after having done the expat thing and while the rest of the world may not care about the magical 1000 turbine PIC, it's an insurance policy if you do want to come home.

I'd wait.

 

[NEDude]

My thought is to let the mergers and acquisitions dust settle in the US, which could easily take 5 years, and still be marketable to come back to it when hiring is strong.

You think the dust is going to settle? De-regulation has been a constant dust-up and it will never settle. Just look at the post de-regulation lineage of the remaining legacy carriers.

American - American, TWA, Ozark, Reno
Delta - Delta, Northwest, Western, Republic, North Central...
United - United, Continental, People Express, New York Air, Texas International...
USAirways - USAirways, America West, Piedmont, PSA...

Since deregulation the industry has averaged a major merger or acquisition about every two years. It is not going to end either, remember there is consistent talk of AA and USAirways. Within a decade you will see United and Delta talking. Mark my words...

 

[KickItOut]

You think the dust is going to settle? De-regulation has been a constant dust-up and it will never settle. Just look at the post de-regulation lineage of the remaining legacy carriers.

American - American, TWA, Ozark, Reno
Delta - Delta, Northwest, Western, Republic, North Central...
United - United, Continental, People Express, New York Air, Texas International...
USAirways - USAirways, America West, Piedmont, PSA...

Since deregulation the industry has averaged a major merger or acquisition about every two years. It is not going to end either, remember there is consistent talk of AA and USAirways. Within a decade you will see United and Delta talking. Mark my words...

Duly noted. So the dust analogy wasn't that great, but I guess I meant it in terms of hiring peaks and troughs. Either way, I'm impressed that this thread has been more informative than bitchy.

 

[NEDude]

Duly noted. So the dust analogy wasn't that great, but I guess I meant it in terms of hiring peaks and troughs. Either way, I'm impressed that this thread has been more informative than bitchy.

Perhaps I am a bit cynical about the state of our industry after three furloughs.

Hopefully the tide is turning in our favor though.

I am of the opinion that the industry will continue to globalize. After all, isn't that the point of air travel, to make it easier to travel? In that respect I think over the next few years you will begin to see other major global airlines begin to follow the lead of airlines like Cathay Pacific, Korean and Hainan and start having crews based all over the world. These days you could very well be working for a major Asian based carrier, but live and be based in a place like Seattle or New York. With the global expansion plans of Emirates, I could see that being a possibility with them as well. I do know a few guys who have headed overseas and have lost the desire to ever work for a U.S. carrier again.

Best of luck. I am holding out hope that one of them will allow European basing.

 

[Cpt. Underpants]

other major global airlines begin to follow the lead of airlines like Cathay Pacific

FWIW, Cathay Pacifics' basings are in complete disarray, with guys employed in the USA, Canada, Australia and others now all illegible for DOUBLE TAXATION - both in Hong Kong and their home countries.

As usual, CX are trying to nickle and dime the issue and are reluctant to accept the principle that to save a little you're going to have to spend a little...

Result? Basings are frozen. No new hires onto bases (don't get me started on the absurd "iCadet" program) - everyone now joins CX as an S/O on LOCAL TERMS (no expat benefits) and no replacements on the bases as guys leave.

Yes, they are leaving - the current turnover rate is about 5% p.a.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

I was told if you fly for Emirates that you cannot be hired by UPS or FedEX when you come back. Something about them flying the US Mail and special clearances...it sounded like a bunch of hooey to me, but I suppose it's possible there could be some truth to it. Anybody know anything about this?

 

[Kenny]

FedEx requires you to have resided in the US continuously, for the 5 years prior to applying.

AFAIK there isn't a similar requirement at UPS.

 

[NEDude]

FedEx requires you to have resided in the US continuously, for the 5 years prior to applying.

AFAIK there isn't a similar requirement at UPS.

Which is really weird because if you get hired you have a good chance of being based outside the US. So what happens if you get based in Germany and move your family there for a few years and then bid back into the states? Are you not allowed to?

Seems like a dumb requirement to me.

 

[i'mbatman]

I had the same problem before leaving my last job for CX. I waited an got my 1000TPIC but only needed to delay one class.

 

[brokeflyer]

in this BS industry, id lie about everything. pencil the time, they dont have the time to check everything. give fedex your brothers address and hope you get hired.

point being.....get the job.