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APRIL 30, 2003

CUSTOMER PREFERENCE DRIVES EMIRATES’ RECORD-BREAKING PROFITS



EMIRATES GROUP DECLARES 74% RISE IN PROFITS TO A BILLION DIRHAMS

The Emirates Group has declared a 74 per cent increase in net profits to Dhs1.05 billion ($285.7 million) for the financial year 2002/3, ended on 31st March 2003, driven by the growing confidence of its customers in the airline and travel-related group of companies.

Emirates Airline’s operations alone achieved a staggering 94 per cent increase in profits, from Dhs468.2 million ($127.6m) to Dhs906.7 million ($247.1m).

The average passenger seat factor rose to 76. 6 per cent, breaking all previous records, and cargo represented 19.6 of the airline’s revenue.

Total Group revenue increased by 31 per cent to Dhs10.2 billion ($2.8b) in the year ending 31st March 2003, compared with Dhs7.8 billion ($2.1b) in the previous year. Dnata returned a net income of Dhs141.7 million ($38.6m), up from Dhs134.8 million ($36.7m) for last year.

The cash balance for the Group stood at Dhs4.8 billion ($1.3b) at the year end, compared to Dh3.4 billion ($0.9b) at the end of the previous year.

The Report and Accounts of the Emirates Group, which comprises Emirates Airline and Dnata, were disclosed by Emirates’ Chairman, His Highness Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, at a press conference in its Dubai hub today (Wednesday 30th April 2003).

In his Review, contained in the Report, Sheikh Ahmed said: “As I travel around our network, journalists always ask the same question - what is the secret? I am convinced the answer is our passion for quality, which surfaces throughout the Group wherever we do business.”

He added: “But I must point out that this success does not come automatically, or by chance, but is the consequence of real teamwork by our experienced and professional management and staff who have the ability to combine hard-nosed, cost-effective measures with a people-to-people personal touch.”

The growth of Emirates goes hand-in-hand with the growth of Dubai. The Group’s passion for quality is seen also in its active promotion of its home base as the 21st century’s most exciting city for commerce and tourism, with a difference.

Sheikh Ahmed paid tribute to Dubai’s visionary government which confidently plans and builds for the future: “At the airport, too, the government is making a crucial, multi-million dollar investment in a new, revolutionary expansion of the already futuristic complex which will increase the capacity to 60 million passengers a year by 2012 - and in a mega cargo centre capable of handling one million tonnes of freight, providing Emirates with an exclusive terminal from 2007.”

Pointing out how the Emirates Group does its part, he said that in addition to the benefit to the community of air services and long-term, unsubsidised profitability, the Emirates Group contributes significantly to the Dubai Gross Domestic Product.

“In the financial year under review, the contribution of the Group to the Dubai economy was Dhs4.0 billion ($1.1b) in direct expenditure, plus a conservative estimate of an additional Dhs6.1 billion ($1.65b) in related expenditure by third parties - a total of Dhs10.1 billion ($2.75bn),” he added.

The last year was a difficult one for the aviation industry which suffered global losses of $13 billion. Emirates, like other international airlines, had to face global economic and political problems, but its fast reaction to these challenges across the network helped minimise their effects on operations.

Sheikh Ahmed commented: “We are, indeed, fortunate to be in a part of the world where the economy is booming, for when we compare our results with those of the world aviation industry in general they seem almost surreal.”

Sheikh Ahmed underlined the fact that Emirates does not receive any subsidies whatsoever from the Dubai government nor any protection from competition.

Emirates Airline
The airline carried 8.5 million passengers, an increase of 26 per cent over last year’s total of 6.8 million. It is 20th in size among international airlines and one of the five most profitable.
Capacity rose 28.5 per cent in available tonne kilometres, while the passenger seat factor - despite the increased capacity - rose 2.3 percentage points, up from 74.3 per cent the previous year. The overall load factor was 70 per cent, up from 68.3 per cent the previous year. Tonnage, shipped by Emirates SkyCargo, was up 31.1 per cent to a record 525,188 tonnes.

During the 2002/03 financial year, services were launched to Casablanca, Khartoum, Mauritius, Perth, Osaka and Cochin, bringing the number of destinations to 64 in 45 countries. Frequencies were increased at a number of destinations, including London, Johannesburg and Tehran.


Emirates is planning on doubling their fleet to over 100 aircraft by 2010 and is continuing to hire at a rate of about 200 per year. The latest rumour is that the European pilot market is drying up and they need to look elsewhere for qualified guys. The job is good and the pay is decent. If you are tired of being furloughed from the majors in the States and have no intention of going back or otherwise meet the experience requirements give Emirates a serious look. Apply on-line at www.emiratesgroupcareers.com


Typhoonpilot
 
That is an interesting thread on PPRUNE and I have followed it closely. While Cape Aviation makes some valid points about time to upgrade taking longer than it historically has in the past, his assumptions are not necessarily accurate. Most guys that come here don't plan on staying until age 60 . The ten year point seems to be crucial for families from what I am told so that leads to some more attrition than Cape uses in his calculations. Certainly the upgrade time will slow down from 3 years ( actually as little as 13 months at the moment ) to something a little longer. It is still a fantastic pace compared to other airlines. If I were to have waited on a return to USAirways and they were to stay the same size as they are now I would be looking at 12 more years to upgrade in a 737. That would be a total of 25 from date of hire. And that assumes they actually stay in business for 12 more years, which is highly suspect. Emirates is defintely going to be around 12 years from now and even if you do stay an F.O. for 5 to 7 years it is still pretty decent lifestyle and a great place to raise a family.

Typhoonpilot
 
Typhoonpilot,
I have been researching Emirates for quite some time ( if you call looking at PPRUNE message boards research) and I would like to ask you some more questions. Too many to list here. Check your private messages if you have the time or just email me.
Thanks,
southbound
 
Huge Aircraft Order

SEATTLE, May 28 (Reuters) -

Dubai-based airline Emirates will announce a huge order for jetliners from Airbus SAS (XETRA:EAD.DE - News; Paris:EAD.PA - News) and rival Boeing Co. (NYSE:BA - News) next month at the Paris Air Show, according to trade magazine Flight International.

Emirates will order up to 69 wide-body jets, including 23 Airbus A380s, bringing the fast-growing carrier's total orders for the new 555-seat megajet to 45, Flight reported in its latest edition, without directly citing anyone.

The order would also include 10 Airbus A340-600s and 26 Boeing 777-300ERs (extended range), Flight reported, accounting for a total of 59 of the 69 jets mentioned.

Emirates in 2001 announced its intention to order 25 777s, but has not yet specified which version it would buy. It currently operates nine smaller 777-200s and 12 stretched -300 models.

The magazine quoted an unnamed Emirates source as saying the airline would likely make a large order announcement on June 16, noting that such an announcement has been expected for several months.

At catalog prices, the jets cited would cost more than $12 billion, but airlines routinely receive discounts of 20 percent or more on large purchases and several have reported even fatter savings during the current industry slump.

Flight said Emirates was offered "heavily discounted" prices from Airbus and Boeing, plus leasing companies General Electric Capital Aviation Services (NYSE:GE - News) and International Lease Finance, a unit of American International Group Inc. (NYSE:AIG - News).

The four-engine A340-600 comes equipped with Rolls-Royce (London:RR.L - News) Trent 500 powerplants and the 777-300ER twin-jet comes only with the General Electric GE90-115B.

Emirates has not yet chosen which engines will power the 23 latest A380s, though it selected the GP7200 from the GE/Pratt & Whitney (NYSE:UTX - News) Engine Alliance last year for its first 22 A380s, Flight reported.
 
ICAO ATPL

According to their min quals you need an "ICAO ATPL." Does anyone know if you can get one in the US or how one goes about getting an ATPL?
 
ICAO ATPL

Do a search on the MAJORS section and you will find your answer.
I asked the same question and was advised that a FAA ATP was the same as an ICAO ATPL.
 
Geez, you guys don't even know what ATPL stands for? Don't worry about sending Emirates an apllication. Let people apply there who have an airline transport pilot license that is acceptable to the International civil aviation organization.
 
metrodriver said:
Geez, you guys don't even know what ATPL stands for? Don't worry about sending Emirates an apllication. Let people apply there who have an airline transport pilot license that is acceptable to the International civil aviation organization.

Ok wiseguy... I know what ATPL stands for. I also know what ICAO stands for. I also know that there are different licensing requirements for flying non US registered aircraft in certain parts of the world. I also know that my ATP was issued by the FAA, not ICAO or JAA or any other aviation governing authority. So if an employer asks for an ICAO ATPL, that ain't what I got. What I need to know is, if it is acceptable in lieu of an FAA issued certificate. Thankyouverymuch!
 
I believe I've found my answer on the Majors thread... Thanks.

In some cases, foreign airlines will not accept a FAA ATP when they require an ICAO ATPL. In other cases they will accept FAA certificates.

There is no actual certificate that says ICAO on it. The ICAO is the FAA, JAA, T.C., CAA and so on agreeing on certain regulations. Your FAA ATP is an ICAO ATPL if you meet the above criteria. You cannot get an ICAO certificate. You cannot buy one. You can meet the requirements agreed upon in the ICAO, and hold (any country that is included in the ICAO) an ATP(L). The US FAA in part of the ICAO. If you have 1500 TT inclusive of only 50%SIC, and have 250 PIC, actuall PIC as defined above, then you DO hold an ICAO ATPL.

Cheers,
 
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Emirates expansion

EMIRATES TO FLY TO NEW ZEALAND FROM AUGUST 1

DUBAI, 9 June 2003 - Emirates' Chairman, HH Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum has announced that the airline will start services between Dubai and Auckland, New Zealand on August 1.

From that date, Emirates' daily flights to Sydney and Melbourne will be extended on to Auckland providing a total of 14 flights weekly in each direction.

Emirates daily flights to Brisbane, scheduled to start October 26, will also be extended to Auckland, increasing Emirates' services across the Tasman Sea to 21 weekly. The airline has full traffic rights between Auckland and all three Australian gateways.

Sheikh Ahmed said: "The UAE and New Zealand have enjoyed an air services agreement for some years. These new services follow the recent agreement on traffic rights between the governments of Australia and the UAE, which allows Emirates to operate with full traffic rights from all points in Australia. Our flights offer Australian and New Zealand passengers a greater choice of carrier across the Tasman Sea. I am grateful to the Australian Government for the opportunity this affords us to extend trade and leisure travel opportunities in this increasingly popular region of the world."

Sheikh Ahmed added: "When Emirates introduces non-stop flights to Sydney on October 26, we will offer an unrivalled one-stop service between Dubai and New Zealand."

Emirates, is based in Dubai, a total open skies environment. The airline has never received protection or financial subsidy from the Dubai Government. Yet, it is not only among the world’s fastest-growing airlines, it is also one of the world's five most profitable.

The new services will delight the New Zealand community in the UAE, increase trade between the two countries and open up a stunningly beautiful and extremely safe destination for leisure travellers from the Middle East.

They will also offer passengers to Auckland a choice of departure times from Dubai, varying with the three different gateways used. The flights will be operated with a Boeing 777-300 aircraft in three-class configuration offering 18 First, 42 Business and 320 Economy seats plus cargo capacity of 17 to 20 tonnes.


Emirates flights schedules are as follows, with all times given being local.

Flights via Sydney
Daily flights will depart Dubai at 0815, arrive Singapore at 1935, depart Singapore at 2045 and arrive Sydney at 0605 the following day. The flight will then depart Sydney at 0735 and arrive Auckland at 1225.

Return flights will depart Auckland at 1750, arrive Sydney at 1905, depart Sydney at 2020, arrive Singapore at 0215 the following day, depart Singapore at 0325 and arrive Dubai at 0625. These flights will be operated with a Boeing 777-300

With the introduction of the super long-range Airbus A340-500 on the route from October 26, flights will depart Dubai at 1015 and arrive Sydney at 0710 the following day. Flights will depart Sydney at 0835 and arrive Auckland at 1330.

The return flights will depart Auckland at 1935, arrive Sydney at 2045, depart Sydney at 2200 and arrive Dubai at 0540 the following day.

Flights via Melbourne
Daily flights will depart Dubai at 0220, arrive Singapore at 1405, depart Singapore at 1520 and arrive Melbourne at 0035 the following day. The flights will depart Melbourne at 0830 and arrive Auckland at 1400.

The return flights will depart Auckland at 1600, arrive Melbourne at 1750, depart Melbourne at 1905, arrive Singapore at 0100 the following day, depart Singapore at 0210 and arrive Dubai at 0515.

Flights via Brisbane
Starting October 26, flights will depart Dubai at 0830, arrive Singapore at 1935, depart Singapore at 2045, arrive Brisbane at 0605 the following day, depart Brisbane at 0735 and arrive Auckland at 1330.

The return flights will depart Auckland at 1835, arrive Brisbane at 1900, depart Brisbane at 2015, arrive Singapore at 0145 the following day, depart Singapore at 0300 and arrive Dubai at 0620.

END-
 
Emirates Boosts Airbus with $12 bln Order
Monday June 16, 9:39 am ET
By Noah Barkin and Jason Neely


LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - European plane maker Airbus SAS trumped arch-rival Boeing Co on Monday, unveiling a record $12.5 billion order for 41 wide-body jets from Dubai-based airline Emirates.




Taking advantage of an airline industry crisis to lock in discount rates, state-owned Emirates also announced plans to lease 26 Boeing 777 planes.

None of those represent new orders for the Chicago-based aircraft maker, whose order book for the year still stands at 36, compared to 197 for Airbus.

The Airbus deal includes the purchase of 21 A380 superjumbos and makes Emirates by far the largest customer for the huge 555-seater that airlines will begin operating from 2006.

Airbus said the deal, which brings its firm A380 backlog to 116, represented its largest wide-body order ever by number of planes and by dollar value.

The $12.5 billion price tag is based on "future value" catalog prices, Airbus said, though aircraft manufacturers routinely offer hefty discounts.

The deal comes amid an unprecedented downturn in the civil aerospace market that has sent top U.S. airlines US Airways and United Airlines into bankruptcy.

Emirates airline, a unit of Emirates Group, has defied the crisis, posting a 94-percent rise in profit in its financial year ended March 31.

"We are very confident that the traffic growth is there," Emirates Chairman Sheik Ahmed bin Saeed al-Maktoum told reporters.

A380 BACKLOG SWELLS

The order is a boon to Airbus, which expects its order backlog for the A380 to swell to 124 once pending contracts are signed with Malaysia Airline System and Qatar Airways, Airbus said in a statement.

In addition to the 21 superjumbos, Emirates agreed to purchase two A340-500 and 18 A340-600 planes from Airbus.

Britain's Rolls-Royce will supply the engines for those 20 jets in a deal valued at $900 million. Emirates did not announce its choice of engines for the A380s.

It is also leasing an additional two A340-600s and two A380 superjumbos from lessor ILFC, a unit of American International Group. That means Emirates, which already had an outstanding order for 21 A380s, is now due to receive a total of 45 of the double-decker giants.

Airbus advertises the superjumbo as a luxury liner replete with lounges, duty-free shops, bars and casinos. But Emirates said its plans for the jet were more conservative.

"There won't be gymnasiums and bars," Emirates spokesman David Wilson said. "These will be planes to carry passengers, not casinos."

Airbus said deliveries of the A340-500 planes would begin at the end of 2004, those of the A340-600s in June 2007 and the A380s in the spring of 2009.

Emirates is also taking the 26 Boeing planes directly from leasing firms ILFC and GECAS. Of those 26, Boeing has already sold 22 to the two lessors. The remaining four could turn into new orders for the plane maker at a later date.

Analysts have said Emirates is in a powerful position to get planes at cheap prices as one of the few carriers placing big orders during the industry crisis.

"They are making a very smart move in ordering now," Alex Khatibi, a vice president at Los Angeles-based ILFC, told Reuters. "They are locking in today's market rates."
 
The 777 is so nice and they pay the same so I'll stick with Boeing, besides there is a 6 year seat lock after upgrade.

Typhoonpilot
 
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Emirates not playing around...

EMIRATES PLACES BIGGEST AIRCRAFT ORDER IN HISTORY

Dubai-based airline gives Boeing and Airbus $19 billion in orders at
Paris Air Show

DUBAI, 16th June, 2003: At the Paris Air Show today, Emirates, the Dubai-based international airline, announced that it has placed the biggest order in civil aviation history -- worth $19 billion (approx. 70 billion Dirhams).

The fast-growing carrier confirmed purchase orders for 21 more Airbus A380-800s, and leasing orders for two A380-800s. The additional 23 aircraft bring Emirates’ total order for the giant double-deck jetliner to 45, the most ordered by any airline.

At the same time, Emirates announced operating lease orders for 26 Boeing 777-300ERs, 14 from General Electric Capital Aviation Services (GECAS) and 12 from the International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC), and powered by General Electric GE90-115B engines.

They will provide much-needed extra capacity on existing routes and help it continue to expand its network, which has already risen to 66 cities in 46 countries since services started in 1985.

Emirates also announced orders for more four-engined A340s, purchasing two more ultra-long-range A340-500 and 18 of the larger A340-600 Higher Gross Weight aircraft, as well as leasing two A340-600s from ILFC, the International Lease Finance Corporation. This makes Emirates the launch customer for the A340-600 HGW.

The confirmed orders announced in Paris, along with those revealed at the Dubai Air Show two years ago, bring Emirates’ current total order book to $26 billion.

His Highness Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, the Chairman of Emirates, said: "We need many more aircraft to continue our plans to become a truly global airline, and had already announced a major aircraft order at the 2001 Dubai International Air Show.

“Now we are placing more multi-billion dollar orders, and have chosen A380s, A340s and 777s to meet exceptionally strong demand from passengers and cargo customers. We will fund them from our own reserves, from banks and institutional investors, and through operating leases."

The extra Airbus A380 orders cover four versions: a 533-seat three-class aircraft; a 653-seat two-class aircraft; a 500-seater able to fly non-stop from Dubai to Australia; and two freighters. They enter service from 2006. Deliveries of A340-500 start this year and of A340-600s from June 2007.

Airbus Chief Executive Officer Noël Forgeard said: “Emirates has clearly shown its ability to turn vision into reality, as its growth and success over almost two decades has shown. We are pleased and proud that the A340 and A380 families have again been chosen to play a key role in its future.”

The move to acquire 26 new 777s follows Emirates’ experience with its current fleet of 20. Sheikh Ahmed said: “They have proved extremely popular with passengers, cargo customers and crew, and the new Extended Range version will provide the reliability and extra capacity which our forecasts show we need on trunk routes in years to come.

“By using operating leases we avoid burdening ourselves with large amounts of debt, and here we are delighted to be working with the two major aviation leasing companies GECAS and ILFC.”

Alan Mulally, President and CEO, Boeing Commercial Airplanes, said: “We are thrilled with this selection of our Boeing 777-300ER by Emirates, one of the world’s premier airlines. This is a great example of a broad, industry solution that expands the customer base of our longer-range 777s in a very fast-growing region of the world.”

The expanded order book will increase Emirates’ fleet to 125 aircraft by 2012, as part of long-term plans to serve many new countries. The new jets will also boost flights on existing routes to Australia, China, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, Pakistan, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand.

Emirates’ emergence as a global brand reflects Dubai’s vision to become the leading aviation hub of the 21st century. By 2010 Emirates expects to carry 29 million people and 1.5 million tonnes of cargo a year, one reason why it is now the world’s biggest buyer of new aircraft.
 
Licenses, Certificates & Other Acronyms

Just so there is no confusion here and as someone earlier pointed out, there is NO such certificate with the actual words printed on it "ICAO ATPL"!

ICAO is indeed, the International Civil Aviation Organisation headquartered in Montreal, Canada & is the international governining boby for civil aviation matters. Most Western states are signatories to ICAO (bit like the UN, if you will), so when a job specifies "ICAO" ATPL what they mean is ANY license which comes under their signatory auspices such as FAA/MOT/CAA/JAR etc. In other words, it's wide open to all bidders.
Virtually the whole world is covered by ICAO.

Now if it said "only JAA/JAR licensed crew...", well that's a whole different deal. It's all in the terminology.

Hope this unravels some of the earlier confusion.

From someone who knows from first hand experience!!

LOL :o)

FAA ATP
IAA ATPL
CAA ATPL
& I guess "ICAO ATPL"
 
I will add to the previous.

An FAA ATP is an ICAO recognized ATPL, IF, you meet the experience requirement.

1.) ICAO- only 50% of SIC time counts towards Total Time.
2.)ICAO- only 1 pilot may log PIC in 1 airplane. ie, you cannot have dual recieved and PIC both logged for a flight. ie FAA CPL training.

The FAA differs from both these requirements. So one could have an FAA ATP, but not be eligible for an ICAO recognized ATPL.

Cheers
 
Just wanted to bring this back to the top with a little update on the recruiting summer hiatus.

Recruitment has done very well through the spring and have decided to take a summer break :cool: Interviews will resume in September.

Typhoonpilot
 
WOW! A chance to fly the B777 & then maybe the A380, worth the pain of living overseas for a while
 
Hi Mike:

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Got to use the icons for that you know ;)

Honestly, it isn't painful at all to live here. Quite the opposite, it is a much more enjoyable lifestyle. :cool:

A-380 = 24 Flight Attendants :D

Typhoonpilot
 
Emirates & ATP(L)?
Emirates have hired many US and non-US pilots who had FAA ATP.

What is an ICAO ATPL?
Defined by ICAO as: a license issued by ICAO member states in accordance with the standards set in the ICAO annexes. Including a normal FAA ATP. FAA have listed any deviation in the diff section of AIP USA.

Note: Some countries used to have a self defined more "selective (*)" interpretation which excluded the FAA ATP. Most European nations and other countries that followed the UK CAA did this. The JAA ATP License has later replaced much of this.

(*) When I say "selective" I do not suggest that I believe it is better.
 
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Hey Typhoonpilot,

Three questions for you:

1. How do you like the 777 vs. what you have flown previously?

2. Favorite and worst destinations you currently fly to and why?

3. Living conditions in Dubai - is it not expensive?


Nice to hear that American pilots are also appreciated over there.


Cheers
 
Heavy Set:

1. How do you like the 777 vs. what you have flown previously?

Very nice. I liked the DC-9-10 best for pure handling characteristics, like a sports car. The 777 would be more like a luxury SUV. It's big and obviously not as responsive. Even though it is fly by wire it still has decent feel thanks to Boeing putting in control feedback. You can still hand fly it as much as you want or you can let the autopilot do all the work. The flight deck is roomy and comfortable not as quiet as an MD-80/90 though.

2. Favorite and worst destinations you currently fly to and why?


Tough question. It depends on what you like to do. Jakarta for golf, Bangkok for food and shopping, Singapore for shopping/nightlife, anywhere in Europe for a good night out or sightseeing. Still quite a few I haven't been to. The bad list would have to include anywhere in India but we don't stayover ( thank god ).


3. Living conditions in Dubai - is it not expensive?

Living in Dubai is much like living in the States. Prices are very comparable. The city is layed out so that owning a car is mandatory. Lots of activities to suit your taste. Lots of restaurants. Good nightlife. The mixture of people is what makes it different. Expats comprise more than 70% of the total population of over 1 million people. Most of those are Indian/Pakistani with an assortment from everywhere else. Islam is the religion and that is readily apparent from all the mosques around town. That does have an impact on how you can live your life but it is not over bearing as in Saudi Arabia.

On Emirates salary you can live a pretty good life but you won't get rich.


PM me if you have more specific questions. I'd be happy to answer.


Typhoonpilot
 

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