Emirates Looks At Transpacific Operation

[sniper]

How in the world does that have anything to do with the discussion at hand?

A lot of passengers will still choose a higher quality experience over a lower quality one, and you are right now on the side of the lower quality one.

I would be the first one to switch back to US airlines if their customer service matched Emirates (or Qatar, or Singapore, or Cathay, or even some Chinese carriers), but that seems to be a pipe dream.

You pretend to be a business passengers and you are not I think.
You are a ME airline pilot. I doubt you ever paid for a first class seat and you keep puting US legacies down,,,

Why? Don't you want to come and fly here?
BTW as an American you should buy American and fly on US Airlines, any of the US Airlines

Support the homeland and stop supporting foreign airlines, any foreign airlines

 

[flyboyike]

Why? Don't you want to come and fly here?
BTW as an American you should buy American and fly on US Airlines, any of the US Airlines

BTW, as an American you should work on your English a little harder.

 

[sniper]

BTW, as an American you should work on your English a little harder.

I am learning Arabic and i am getting mixed up, sorry

But I am
Good on acronyms
GFYS

 

[flyboyike]

I am learning Arabic and i am getting mixed up, sorry

But I am
Good on acronyms
GFYS

Gee, why are you learning Arabic, I thought you hated the Middle East? Oh, and it's "good with acronyms", not "on acronyms".

One more thing, "yourself" is one word, so the acronym should be GFY, to which my response is the same as the last time you used it, you first.

 

[say again]

Gee, why are you learning Arabic, I thought you hated the Middle East? Oh, and it's "good with acronyms", not "on acronyms".

One more thing, "yourself" is one word, so the acronym should be GFY, to which my response is the same as the last time you used it, you first.

:beer:

 

[CLCAP]

You pretend to be a business passengers and you are not I think.
You are a ME airline pilot. I doubt you ever paid for a first class seat and you keep puting US legacies down,,,

Why? Don't you want to come and fly here?
BTW as an American you should buy American and fly on US Airlines, any of the US Airlines

Support the homeland and stop supporting foreign airlines, any foreign airlines

You just do not come across as a very bright individual.

I say it again - I do NOT nor have I EVER flown for an airline, American on foreign. I fly corporate airplanes - and fly them all over the world. We get frequently asked to position to and from all kinds of locations and the company is nice enough to provide us with a business class ticket on an airline of our choice.

You are right, I am putting the US Legacies down, because they provide a vastly inferior product. I still airline on them occasionally (sometimes there is not much choice), but I try to minimize it.

Here, take look at this website: http://www.airlinequality.com/

There is not a single US Legacy that gets more than three stars, and this is voted on by passengers like me.

The statement that I should buy American even though better options are available is laughable. You live in a global economy - most corporations figured this out a few decades ago - it's time for you to remove the blinders and see reality.

 

[sniper]

:beer:

Me say again here it goes


GFYS and keep praying to Allah with your new wardrobe

 

[sniper]

Gee, why are you learning Arabic, I thought you hated the Middle East? Oh, and it's "good with acronyms", not "on acronyms".

One more thing, "yourself" is one word, so the acronym should be GFY, to which my response is the same as the last time you used it, you first.

I don't hate anyone but



I say this to you GFYS

It's Arabic if you know what I mean and

The gulf 3 airlines ? FO

Did you get that ?


I like using your self separate ..

 

[sniper]

You just do not come across as a very bright individual.

I say it again - I do NOT nor have I EVER flown for an airline, American on foreign. I fly corporate airplanes - and fly them all over the world. We get frequently asked to position to and from all kinds of locations and the company is nice enough to provide us with a business class ticket on an airline of our choice.

You are right, I am putting the US Legacies down, because they provide a vastly inferior product. I still airline on them occasionally (sometimes there is not much choice), but I try to minimize it.

Here, take look at this website: http://www.airlinequality.com/

There is not a single US Legacy that gets more than three stars, and this is voted on by passengers like me.

The statement that I should buy American even though better options are available is laughable. You live in a global economy - most corporations figured this out a few decades ago - it's time for you to remove the blinders and see reality.

Flying for a legacy is better than been on the beeper, you know that,



But hey I am not that bright you are, haha what a joke,
you could only wish you had a job with a legacy

Now who is bright? I have been here since 95 with my airline. I had bad ungly and good times but mostly good times .


Anyway my problem is with gulf subsidized airlines not your corporate department .

 

[CLCAP]

Flying for a legacy is better than been on the beeper, you know that,



But hey I am not that bright you are, haha what a joke,
you could only wish you had a job with a legacy

Now who is bright? I have been here since 95 with my airline. I had bad ungly and good times but mostly good times .


Anyway my problem is with gulf subsidized airlines not your corporate department .

Sorry to disappoint you - but I am not on a beeper but actually know my schedule about a month in advance. I have several friends flying for legacies and none of their schedules beat mine.

I average 20 days at home a month, have more vacation, and make about the same money. I am also on an expense account and stay in high end hotels, generally downtown. The only thing missing is travel benefits, but I do all right with all the miles (and hotel points are a bonus).

Not that all corporate jobs are like that and I consider myself very lucky having mine, but some do beat the best airline gig. So no, I do not wish to have a job with a legacy.

Your airline was also subsidized after 9/11 and most of them keep being subsidized through our laws allowing for Ch 11.

 

[metrodriver]

EK: their market is India and Pakistan, some east Africa and the middle east. Why Seattle, Dallas, Glasgow and name all the other smaller destinations? Because there is a large Indian population or companies employing Indians (mainly software). EK shuttles them from India to DXB and then the rest of the world. As a world-class airline you also want to serve the major population centers. Why no EK flight to Miami? There are no Indians, and the Cubans don't go to India. DXB is a also a convenient place to stop between Europe and Asia.
DL gets a lot of passengers that are quite strong looking young males on assignment. Very few kids. Unlike the EK flights which are families. The trip for this last group has become a lot shorter on EK than the US to Europe route on DL and then AF / KLM / Lufthansa to just a few destinations in India.
Some of the main differences between DL and EK in economy, B777:
Seats: no economy + on EK. EK 10 across, DL 9. Result: narrower seats and aisle on EK -> everyone bangs into you in an aisle seat, constant shoulder fight.
Food: little better on EK, more snacks, but sometimes poor timing.
Entertainment: pretty close, maybe a few more movies on EK, DL has better music. DL has a lot better sound quality.
Drinks: DL free wine + beer, EK free everything except champagne.
FF program: DL (used to) give full miles, EK based on ticket class. 7000 miles from US earns 3500 miles from west coast, 3000 from the east coast.
EK no upgrades unless they need your seat. Gold gets E-gate access to UAE, bag gets priority treatment, lounge access.
Business class is a completely different animal, first class is travelling like royalty with chauffeur services, private palace-on-wheels to drive to the airplane, shower, cabins.

General Lee, the majority of business travelers will try to stay with one airline, unless schedule dictates otherwise. I have DL miles, used to be Platinum, now barely silver. I prefer to go on EK non-stop to DXB leaving home at a reasonable time and coming back at a normal time. If I would fly UA or DL I would have to get up at 4am to go to ATL, 5 hrs no food no drink and still fly 14 hrs to DXB. Now I wake up, have the whole morning and part of the afternoon, and fly the same 14 hrs to DXB, have meals at the appropriate times. EK serves food on nearly all their flights, even on the 1.5 hr trip to Kuwait (which is a 777-300).
Most of the leisure passengers don't have miles since they simply don't fly enough, they will look for the cheapest ticket, or the quickest way. No brand loyalty.
My boss looks for the cheapest ticket (=economy unless not available) in combination with schedule. So from the 150k miles I flew last year, 90.000 were on EK, the rest DL, UA, LH, KL, BA, Royal Jordanian, Air Baltic, Jet Airways, HK Express, Iberia, Kuwait Airways, Xiamen Airlines, Frontier, Alaska, Virgin Atlantic, FlyBe and a few others. Some resulted in partner miles, some nothing.

DL still has a product quite comparable to the international competition which is better than UA and far better than Useless Airways..... I haven't flown AA internationally, but if they degrade to Useless Airways level, watch out.

 

[Father Jack]

Good post. But you forgot to mention the cabin crew.

 

[fareview]

....and the fact that the following EK markets have essentially limited Indians;

LED, DME, SGN, MNL, NRT, HAN, CGK, HKT, GIG, PEK, CAN, PVG, EZE, LOS, ACC ...

and the list goes on.

EK have become a far bigger animal than South Asia...important? Yes, but not the full picture.

fv

 

[8sugarsugar]

and the Chinese are buying up Africa. EK's big market is moving them back and forth with Dubai in the middle.

 

[metrodriver]

Fairview, indeed a nice list, quite a few of them are in the home countries of all the (slave) labor in the middle east. The 777-300 that flies several times a day to Kuwait is just full of those folks. No manners, no English, no hygiene. Standing in the aisle bags in hand when the plane is still doing 60kts down the runway. They try to wurm their way around like a cobra doing it's dance you when you stand in the aisle to let someone in the seat. Ask some pretty (almost) indecently dressed African girls what they do there? "Domestic workers".... yeah, babysitter in the no-tell motel.
LOS-oil, ACC-gold, Tokyo-beats me, one of those big cities everyone goes to, and so does EK and still manages to load up an A380, but so do Air France and Thai Airways.

 

[fareview]

Metro,

I have absolutely no idea what you are rambling on about.

I couldn't give a toss if every time the plane is full of transgender strippers.

As to people strolling in the aisles rolling down the runways. Total BS.

They pay the fares, we get them from A to B.

WTF, you going to do a moral audit on your passengers every time you turn up for work!?

Get a life.

fv

 

[Varmint]

Fairview, indeed a nice list, quite a few of them are in the home countries of all the (slave) labor in the middle east. The 777-300 that flies several times a day to Kuwait is just full of those folks. No manners, no English, no hygiene. Standing in the aisle bags in hand when the plane is still doing 60kts down the runway. They try to wurm their way around like a cobra doing it's dance you when you stand in the aisle to let someone in the seat. Ask some pretty (almost) indecently dressed African girls what they do there? "Domestic workers".... yeah, babysitter in the no-tell motel.
LOS-oil, ACC-gold, Tokyo-beats me, one of those big cities everyone goes to, and so does EK and still manages to load up an A380, but so do Air France and Thai Airways.

I saw some scantily clad white chicks in ATL waiting to go to the redneck riviera on a flight......They must be hookers also because of their clothing choice.

 

[flyboyike]

I saw some scantily clad white chicks in ATL waiting to go to the redneck riviera on a flight......They must be hookers also because of their clothing choice.

One sees all manner of things in ATL.

 

[metrodriver]

fv, I do have a live and it includes about 90.000 miles a year sitting in cattle class on EK. So yes, I do see some strange things happening on these flights, stuff that probably never makes it to the cockpit. Including people getting up as soon as the wheels touch down, getting their bags and walking towards the front with some hysterically screaming flight attendants trying to tell them to get their ass back in the seat.
Do I a moral audit before every flight? No. But I do recognize the middle eastern hookers. And I'm happy you get them from A to B. Maybe one day you will fly (or already have flown) me from A to B.

 

[Flyer1015]

I flew Delta across the Atlantic and that 767 didn't have any AVOD. This was a couple years ago. Delta's airplane of choice across the Atlantic is the 767 and many of those are old with no comparison to EK aircraft when it comes to onboard entertainment and amenities.