Embraer maintenance costs cut into JetBlue's profits

[Otto77]

I think riddle is referring to all the posts that pop up on bluepilots every month or so about the 190 guys being sold off to airline XYZ

 

[$$$4nothin]

What ammuses me most about the guys on BP is how they are so contradicorty toward there own statements regarding the 190. They claim how the company will divest the 190 and send the pilots with the planes to the highest bidder in a post at least once a month. So these blow hard 320 guys are all up in arms about how the company will get rid of all the 190's and pilots with them because they can regardless of seniority. They say the company will do this to save so much money and nothing will stop them from doing this. They think seniority will not matter in the deal at all and only the $$$ matters. My question to all of these Airbus pilots that always say this is this. If the company gets rid of 650 or so pilots (number of 190 pilots) with the planes to save all of this money then why wouldn't they get rid of the 650 most expensive pilots on the seniority list including all of the 10-12+ year airbus captains and keep 2-3 year guys instead. If the company can get rid of any pilot they want, any time they want, regardless of seniority why wouldnt they get rid of 650ish guys making $165/$247 respectively over a 3 year guy that would make $150/$225 respectively. This would save the company about $15K/ year per pilot. The company would realize there training cost savings in less than a year. Even if the buying company would want 10K per untrained 190 pilot JB sent them with the planes the company would realize there savings within 1.5-2 years. So following the logic of all these 320 guys I would tell them they should be very carefull what they wish for. How any one wants any thing other than more aircraft, routes and flying for there airline to fly boggles my mind. More aircraft, routes, pilots etc at your airline helps everyone except the top 2% of the guys on the highest paying plane. You hear all these guys say they would fly anything for the right $$$ and schedule, yet when you say you can make more money over all and have a better schedule on the 190 than the 320 they say no way Im not flying that POS. Then they subsequently complain on BP about there schedule. Now my rant is over lets get a CBA, become a collective group, and stop having this conversation and then we can complain and argue about something else.

 

[Otto77]

Well said! This

 

[Flyby1206]

More aircraft, routes, pilots etc at your airline helps everyone except the top 2% of the guys on the highest paying plane.

Well said, I'd support us getting MORE E190s, E170s, ATRs, and any/all airframes possible. Once we get a CBA we need "All flying on behalf of Jetblue Airways is to be performed by pilots on the Jetblue seniority list" to be the Scope section.

 

[Splert]

What ammuses me most about the guys on BP is how they are so contradicorty toward there own statements regarding the 190. They claim how the company will divest the 190 and send the pilots with the planes to the highest bidder in a post at least once a month. So these blow hard 320 guys are all up in arms about how the company will get rid of all the 190's and pilots with them because they can regardless of seniority. They say the company will do this to save so much money and nothing will stop them from doing this. They think seniority will not matter in the deal at all and only the $$$ matters. My question to all of these Airbus pilots that always say this is this. If the company gets rid of 650 or so pilots (number of 190 pilots) with the planes to save all of this money then why wouldn't they get rid of the 650 most expensive pilots on the seniority list including all of the 10-12+ year airbus captains and keep 2-3 year guys instead. If the company can get rid of any pilot they want, any time they want, regardless of seniority why wouldnt they get rid of 650ish guys making $165/$247 respectively over a 3 year guy that would make $150/$225 respectively. This would save the company about $15K/ year per pilot. The company would realize there training cost savings in less than a year. Even if the buying company would want 10K per untrained 190 pilot JB sent them with the planes the company would realize there savings within 1.5-2 years. So following the logic of all these 320 guys I would tell them they should be very carefull what they wish for. How any one wants any thing other than more aircraft, routes and flying for there airline to fly boggles my mind. More aircraft, routes, pilots etc at your airline helps everyone except the top 2% of the guys on the highest paying plane. You hear all these guys say they would fly anything for the right $$$ and schedule, yet when you say you can make more money over all and have a better schedule on the 190 than the 320 they say no way Im not flying that POS. Then they subsequently complain on BP about there schedule. Now my rant is over lets get a CBA, become a collective group, and stop having this conversation and then we can complain and argue about something else.

Did you smoke-up that sweet theory all by yourself Doobiehowser?

There is a difference between a Transactional Event and Fragmentation and 'can get rid of any pilot they want, any time they want, regardless of seniority' (termination of contract).

The stupidity of the Jetblue pilot is bold and boundless.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Did you smoke-up that sweet theory all by yourself Doobiehowser?

There is a difference between a Transactional Event and Fragmentation and 'can get rid of any pilot they want, any time they want, regardless of seniority' (termination of contract).

The stupidity of the Jetblue pilot is bold and boundless.

Perfect. Well done.

 

[bri5150]

Do all pilots at Jetblue sign a five year employment contract? I heard that today and wasn't sure that was the case.

 

[Flyby1206]

Do all pilots at Jetblue sign a five year employment contract? I heard that today and wasn't sure that was the case.

Yes, Day 1 as soon as you show up and verify your ID they give it to you.

 

[BeachBummer]

Yes, Day 1 as soon as you show up and verify your ID they give it to you.

That's also when you negotiate the terms of the contract personally with your supervisor. Make sure you get any changes initialed.

 

[Blue Dude]

That's also when you negotiate the terms of the contract personally with your supervisor. Make sure you get any changes initialed.

Read the 3A transcripts, didn'tcha?