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Embraer maintenance costs cut into JetBlue's profits

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I find it interesting that JB owns the engines. Are they not on an engine program with GE to mitigate some of this expense-exposure? In an airline op, it would seem to make sense to lease the engines...

Correct on all of the above. JB is trying to get into a power-by-the-hour mtx agreement with GE, but I'm guessing that won't be cheap since GE is aware of all the problems.
 

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Who are you comparing that number to? And what is their number?

I was thinking the same thing. NK? G4? VX?
Of the 3, only VX is a comparable product and I'd be surprised if B6's stage length adjusted CASM isn't lower than VX.
 

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Don't forget to have an equivalent SWA pay & benefits package in place so that pilots will actually pay for their type.

You mean just like before, what before SWA paid anywhere near what they do now? And pilots STILL paid for the type
 

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AA will pick up those 190's after JetBlue is merged with XX airline. No need to negotiate an engine maintenance contract at this point.
 

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AA will pick up those 190's after JetBlue is merged with XX airline. No need to negotiate an engine maintenance contract at this point.

We could only hope the pilots go with the airplanes. That would be a switch from what some of the airbus guys are always spewing, that the 190's and pilots are going to republic.
 

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We could only hope the pilots go with the airplanes. That would be a switch from what some of the airbus guys are always spewing, that the 190's and pilots are going to republic.

That would be a fate worse than having to floss with Rosanne Barrs thong underwear!
 

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We could only hope the pilots go with the airplanes. That would be a switch from what some of the airbus guys are always spewing, that the 190's and pilots are going to republic.

Vanna, read your contract one letter at a time.

We have no fragmentation language. That is what the "airbus" guys are spewing.
 

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Vanna, read your contract one letter at a time.

We have no fragmentation language. That is what the "airbus" guys are spewing.

Calm down splert thats why I said we could only hope.

The other comment was how it seems like some of the airbus guys are almost routing for the demise of the 190 and its pilots by getting spun off to republic.
 

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No one is rooting for it. However many wish the damn POS was never acquired.

I think it is possible which is why I will never fly it. YMMV.
 

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Calm down splert thats why I said we could only hope.

The other comment was how it seems like some of the airbus guys are almost routing for the demise of the 190 and its pilots by getting spun off to republic.

I've been on the Airbus for almost 11 years. I have never ever ever never ever heard what you are claiming. I think you are being a bit over sensitive. Would I like to see 190's traded for Airbuses? Absolutely! It's probably not going to happen though.
 

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I think riddle is referring to all the posts that pop up on bluepilots every month or so about the 190 guys being sold off to airline XYZ
 

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What ammuses me most about the guys on BP is how they are so contradicorty toward there own statements regarding the 190. They claim how the company will divest the 190 and send the pilots with the planes to the highest bidder in a post at least once a month. So these blow hard 320 guys are all up in arms about how the company will get rid of all the 190's and pilots with them because they can regardless of seniority. They say the company will do this to save so much money and nothing will stop them from doing this. They think seniority will not matter in the deal at all and only the $$$ matters. My question to all of these Airbus pilots that always say this is this. If the company gets rid of 650 or so pilots (number of 190 pilots) with the planes to save all of this money then why wouldn't they get rid of the 650 most expensive pilots on the seniority list including all of the 10-12+ year airbus captains and keep 2-3 year guys instead. If the company can get rid of any pilot they want, any time they want, regardless of seniority why wouldnt they get rid of 650ish guys making $165/$247 respectively over a 3 year guy that would make $150/$225 respectively. This would save the company about $15K/ year per pilot. The company would realize there training cost savings in less than a year. Even if the buying company would want 10K per untrained 190 pilot JB sent them with the planes the company would realize there savings within 1.5-2 years. So following the logic of all these 320 guys I would tell them they should be very carefull what they wish for. How any one wants any thing other than more aircraft, routes and flying for there airline to fly boggles my mind. More aircraft, routes, pilots etc at your airline helps everyone except the top 2% of the guys on the highest paying plane. You hear all these guys say they would fly anything for the right $$$ and schedule, yet when you say you can make more money over all and have a better schedule on the 190 than the 320 they say no way Im not flying that POS. Then they subsequently complain on BP about there schedule. Now my rant is over lets get a CBA, become a collective group, and stop having this conversation and then we can complain and argue about something else.
 

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More aircraft, routes, pilots etc at your airline helps everyone except the top 2% of the guys on the highest paying plane.

Well said, I'd support us getting MORE E190s, E170s, ATRs, and any/all airframes possible. Once we get a CBA we need "All flying on behalf of Jetblue Airways is to be performed by pilots on the Jetblue seniority list" to be the Scope section.
 

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What ammuses me most about the guys on BP is how they are so contradicorty toward there own statements regarding the 190. They claim how the company will divest the 190 and send the pilots with the planes to the highest bidder in a post at least once a month. So these blow hard 320 guys are all up in arms about how the company will get rid of all the 190's and pilots with them because they can regardless of seniority. They say the company will do this to save so much money and nothing will stop them from doing this. They think seniority will not matter in the deal at all and only the $$$ matters. My question to all of these Airbus pilots that always say this is this. If the company gets rid of 650 or so pilots (number of 190 pilots) with the planes to save all of this money then why wouldn't they get rid of the 650 most expensive pilots on the seniority list including all of the 10-12+ year airbus captains and keep 2-3 year guys instead. If the company can get rid of any pilot they want, any time they want, regardless of seniority why wouldnt they get rid of 650ish guys making $165/$247 respectively over a 3 year guy that would make $150/$225 respectively. This would save the company about $15K/ year per pilot. The company would realize there training cost savings in less than a year. Even if the buying company would want 10K per untrained 190 pilot JB sent them with the planes the company would realize there savings within 1.5-2 years. So following the logic of all these 320 guys I would tell them they should be very carefull what they wish for. How any one wants any thing other than more aircraft, routes and flying for there airline to fly boggles my mind. More aircraft, routes, pilots etc at your airline helps everyone except the top 2% of the guys on the highest paying plane. You hear all these guys say they would fly anything for the right $$$ and schedule, yet when you say you can make more money over all and have a better schedule on the 190 than the 320 they say no way Im not flying that POS. Then they subsequently complain on BP about there schedule. Now my rant is over lets get a CBA, become a collective group, and stop having this conversation and then we can complain and argue about something else.

Did you smoke-up that sweet theory all by yourself Doobiehowser?

There is a difference between a Transactional Event and Fragmentation and 'can get rid of any pilot they want, any time they want, regardless of seniority' (termination of contract).

The stupidity of the Jetblue pilot is bold and boundless.
 

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Did you smoke-up that sweet theory all by yourself Doobiehowser?

There is a difference between a Transactional Event and Fragmentation and 'can get rid of any pilot they want, any time they want, regardless of seniority' (termination of contract).

The stupidity of the Jetblue pilot is bold and boundless.

Perfect. Well done.
 

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Do all pilots at Jetblue sign a five year employment contract? I heard that today and wasn't sure that was the case.
 

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Do all pilots at Jetblue sign a five year employment contract? I heard that today and wasn't sure that was the case.

Yes, Day 1 as soon as you show up and verify your ID they give it to you.
 

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Yes, Day 1 as soon as you show up and verify your ID they give it to you.

That's also when you negotiate the terms of the contract personally with your supervisor. Make sure you get any changes initialed.
 
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