EMB Guy's "Chip"

[Maj]

Let us refine this, how many times has a military pilot crashed and killed himself showing off trying to impress someone. I think that someone who comes out of the military does not realize how easy he has it. Mil guys never spent every dime on flight training, never starved flight instructing, never flew trips with broke aircraft that are unsafe nor went below MDA to get in all in fear of losing his job. Mil guys can step out at the end of their commitment and get a job (if the airlines are hiring). All I am saying that is mil guys don't even realize how easy they have, wether they admit it or not

Country, you're right, my road to the right seat of an Airbus has been SOOO easy! I'm so lucky because I never had to go below an MDA on some stupid approach for fear of losing my job. Lucky for me that I only had to dodge SA-6's and AAA and then return for a night carrier landing. I didn't have to spend every dime on flight training. I only had to spend six months away from home at a time, but at least I lived on a bunk bed in a room with up to seven of my closest friends (with no per diem). It was also really easy packing up one of my roomates gear to send home to his wife after he was killed in an accident. And he wasn't even trying to impress anyone.
Based on the bitter and resentful tone of your grammatically-challenged posts, I'm glad that I 'chose' the 'easy' path to the top of the ladder!

Maj

 

[JayhawkDude]

My Dad wasn't a Doctor, but he played one on TV.

Therefore I feel qualified to give out free wrong-headed opinions about the state of medicine in this country and the growing breast implant problem.

Breast implants are a problem?!?

Are we running out or something?!?

 

[ivauir]

It is sooo easy

Tell my kids how easy it is - I am eight months and counting away from home this year. No body owes me squat for it either. And maybe your right, maybe my IOE instructor will have to work hard to teach me things he/she thinks are basic. But my work ethic is second to none and I am fired up to learn - my guess is this is why I got hired, not my background.
I am looking forward to my airline job more than you'll even know, and I know just how lucky I am to be in the pool. Furthermore, don't assume a military guy has never CFI'd, or paid dues at a regional nor been confronted with bosses who asked him to break the rules (my integrity remains intact, thank you).

Let us refine this, how many times has a military pilot crashed and killed himself showing off trying to impress someone..

People of all background do stupid things. Your phrase works equally well for civil pilots.

 

[slowfo]

EMB guy leaving the board, I've been waiting for some good news.

Cheers.

 

[usna91]

EMB

EMB

All you had to do was apologize, but you don't even realize that you should. You made a comment that was offensive to me and you could have offended an entire group of good people.

There is a big difference between taking a cheap shot at someone or some people (like you did in the comment that instigated this post) and constructive criticism. Your comments were not kind. Constructive criticism doesn't always sound kind either, but it's meant to help. I don't believe you made the comment with the best of intentions. I took offense because you besmirched my brothers and sisters in arms.

The gene pool comment was not meant to compare our IQs. I made this point because I believe our military fliers are the best America has to offer. We should all hope and pray this is true because of the stakes. I also believe those same people could achieve success in medicine, law, and yes even IOE at your airline if given the chance.

If military pilots show up for an interview, I don't think they're worried about you being "overly biased" against them I think they should worry that you would be biased at all. You clearly have prejudice. From your comments it's clear that your objectivity is in question. If your company knew how you felt they would not let you get near the hiring process. It's because they could get sued. Anyone who reads what you have to say about a "group" should be concerned that you maybe feel that way about other groups too. That’s called discrimination.

 

[Trout]

We are all professional pilots. The major difference is the sacrifice. I may have sacrificed money for training but I've never been on a ship for 6 months or in the desert for 8 months. You can have my tax dollars for training.

 

[thebigj10]

did emb delete his posts? now that took guts.

running scared?

 

[wnt2fly4swa]

As a "great man" once said. "Can't we all just get along"

 

[EMB guy]

farewell for a while

did emb delete his posts? now that took guts.

running scared?

Not scared a bit but I am going to be gone for a few months and I didn't want to leave posts just hanging. I think this thread is pretty well done anyway.
Wish me well with transition training and a new house. Don't think I'll have time to mess with with this stuff during training.

 

[usna91]

Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed.
--Mark Twain

 

[KingAirGuy]

All I am saying that is mil guys don't even realize how easy they have, wether they admit it or not

Well, I've been out for a year now and think I can speak with a little authority on this subject.

Military pilots have never starved. Well depends on what additional schools you are priviledged to attend as an aviator (can you spell SERE). Not only starved but you have the oppertunity to learn all kinds of mind numbing things (when was the last time you were pushed into a scum filled pond hands bound in the late fall?)

I think your selling Military pilots short. Its much more than a 9 to 5 job. I'm a civi now and there are different pressures, not more or less difficult, just different. You remarked about going below MDA or you might lost your job, how about If I fly today I might lose my life? I won't say which one is more stressful, to the well trained aviator you deal with the stress of the mission and relax and unwind on the ground. As a Civilian that might be to go back to your apartment and watch the tube. To a military pilot it may be back to the plywood shack erected to house you at the end of a runway in BFE. Cold and cold running water and a spades game just waiting to happen.

I hold no ill will towards guys who worked their way up, hell our chief pilot started out mowing lawns at the FBO. My point? No one had it handed to them on a silver platter, in our own ways we all had to work and earn what we have. You may think being in the military is all drinks at the O club and parades, however its nothing like that at all.

 

[fredflyer]

usna,
Sorry, I was out of the loop for a while, and I guess I missed EMB's posts, since it looks like he pulled them off. I was wondering if you would fill me in on what he wrote. I was wondering if he was taking a dig at military guys experience levels.
I just wanted to see if he thought that flying a 770,000 pound airplane that has been maintained by 18 year olds, so nothing really works on it, was marginal experinece. Not to mention taking that airplane, with a crew of up to 15 people (whose well being I, not the company, was responsible for) into some of the worst rat-hole airports in the world (places that use QFE alitmeter settings and give altitudes in meters, with equipment on the airplane that requires about 4 iterations to get an accurate alitmeter setting that would keep you from hitting a mountain) while flying an NDB approach (off the actual NDB, and not on some GPS aided FMS system) in the weather at night wasn't "acceptible" experience. Oh, by the way, also add on the fact that I was the planner and dispatcher, as well as the PIC (no "shared responsibility" here) I did the fuel plan, flight plan, weather analysis, and everything else that, now that I am a civillian pilot, gets handed to me without a second thought. I guess the fact that in addition to flying into some podunk fields, I've also gone into ariports in places like Frankfurt, Honolulu, Amsterdam and Stockholm (some of the busiest airports in the WORLD) with an airplane ( for country wild's sake ) that was barely legal to fly, beause half of its generators or hydraulic pumps were not working, also makes my experince inferior.
While I'm on Country's post, he is right, I never had to go below mins for fear of losing my job, but when you have an airplane full of the President's limos and you have to get them into some field in Moscow where weather is dog s**t, because if you don't, he can't get in to complete some summit meeting, there is a bit of pressure there, too.
I guess EMB is right, I don't see how my experience in the military could prepare me to fly an airplane (on which the worst maintenance write-up I've seen so far was that the coffe maker was broken) from New York to Florida , in radar contact the whole time, talking to American ATC (most of whom speak english), on autopilot 95% of the time with an ACARS that gives me clearance, weather and any company messages at the touch of a button, to an approach that I've done so many times I could brief it from memory.



Sorry about the rant, I just don't like it when people mock what they have not experienced (even if their daddy did). I don't take digs at civillian-only pilots because I never had to go through what they did to get to where they are. Like someone posted earlier, we all had to go through a whole bunch of crap to get to the place we are now. Let's just leave it at that.


Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.......

 

[Country Wild]

I thank everyone for their responses to these past view post. I have been flying for the airlines since 1970 and I have flown with many pilots from many different backgrounds. Each brings something different to the table and each is better at different things. I am not going to go into a long list, but I hold military trained pilots in high regards, as well as civilian trained pilots. I do apologize for the post that have appeared here in Flight Info. It seems that I didn't completely log off before I left home a couple of days ago. I do apologize to everyone.

 

[OakRBust]

Oh yeah well my dad can beat up your dad!


I can't believe how many people get tired fingers over stupid flame baiters.


I went civie and it worked for me. But, I sure am glad that many of you went Millitary! (Go USA!!!) Both ways work.


Now please take this horse out back and shoot him 10 times in the head and then roll his @ss over with a steam roller. While you are at it please do the same to the LCC vs Majors horse too!!


Everybody have a Great Holiday!!!


OAK

 

[xanderman]

just another reply...

Ya know it really comes down to who you know! I think most of us (including military pilots) get jobs because of the right connections. I am a 3000hr ATP typed in the EMB-145, do I think I deserve a job? No. But would I like a job with a major? Yeah, sure! Who doesn't? My point is this... Sometimes it appears that some groups of pilots have it easier. They don't. In reallity they sacrifice too but in different ways. Remember most military guys/gals have a long line of SQDN or shipmates to help get their foot in the door. Civilian guys/gals have that too...if you network. I have flown with military guys who were great and not so great. They probably thought the same of me! Life is not fair. So let's stop with the look what I had to do to get there crap. We all sacrificed.

Xanderman

P.S. I rag on all equally if they think their sh!t doesn't stink