EMB 170/190 will make EMBRAER # 3

[canadflyau]

Why in the world would the AA folks even think about the "void btw the CRJ70 and MD80"??? They already have a 90 seater in the Fokker.. and it is mainline.. and they are probably paid for...

 

[General Lee]

Gerry Grinstein at Delta talked about the possibility of E190s at Delta during his SLC talk. As far as who would fly them, he stated:

"I can't see DCI flying them."


And, I think Dalpa would make sure we flew them at mainline--even if it meant lower wages on them. (Delta Express was like that)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GoFaster]

Really!!!! No Horse!! Riiiiiggghhht! Go sell crazy somewhere else we're all stocked up here!...and take the Boyd group with you! [/B][/QUOTE]

Spinproof,

No job=No Horse

It is really a simple equation. I will tell you this though, I personally would like to see all the regionals vanish, consumed by the mainlines and integrated unto their respective seniority list. I will also tell you it will never happen. Pilots are just too greedy and short sighted. We always think that our stuff don't stink and that our company is the "right" one to be with. The truth is its all just luck and timing. Four years ago one group was riding high, right now another group, four more years maybe still another. The one thing each group has in common is that when they are on top, they are the most arrogant and uncooperative group imaginable. Until we all break this ruthless cycle we are going to suffer 100 seat jet Captains pay at 68/hour with no work rules. Just to give you some insight, I was having a beverage one night on a layover while I was flying for TWA and was told by a pilot from a group who THOUGHT they were the 800 lb gorilla, that at least I was building jet time at TWA. Funny how things work out, I bet both of us are out of work now. Anyhow, I ain't selling crazy, just disallusionment are you buying? Belly up to the bar and have a drink on me and lets watch this career (read: job these days) spiral down to the lowest common denominator. Its just so sad.

GoFASTER

 

[canadflyau]

AA also has/had the TWA 717's.. unless they have already unloaded them. With keeping the Fokker and 717 already on the property (or at least recently on the property) would seem a more economic route than the pricey EMB 100 seater and the associated cost of ADDING another fleet type to do the same job, don't ya think?

 

[cathal]

Good Luck, GoFaster. Thanks for the insight and facts, and may we all find happiness in this profession, rather than this rampant distrust of each other.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

My question about the EMB 170 and 190 won't be answered for several years. I'm curious how these birds will hold up. As they age will the dispatch reliability suffer more than the CRJ? Will the EMB cost more or less to maintain than the CRJ after 20-30K hours are on the airframe? How much of a role will customer acceptance play in the market? Right now I read about how customers don't like CRJ's but frankly it seems like all the public cares about is ticket price and they'd ride in a Ford Tri-Motor to save 10 bucks.

 

[DenverDude2002]

I read about how customers don't like CRJ's but frankly it seems like all the public cares about is ticket price and they'd ride in a Ford Tri-Motor to save 10 bucks.

Id ride in a Ford Trimotor period

 

[FlyingDawg]

If mainline wants the 190's they need to stop the regionals from flying the 170's. It seems to me that if they are the same type, they should be flown by the same group. 170's and 190's will be the same type rating.

 

[Draginass]

The TWA 717s that AA got were gone long ago. The last of the Fokkers are gone in Sept.

AMR will have no airplane between the <50 seat RJ and the 130 seat MD-80, except for a few 70 seat RJs. 70 people in a turboprop cabin.

 

[stb]

More EMB 170 info...

The Good..
Nice airplane.
Climbs like a home sick angel fully loaded.

Fully loaded, FL 370 fuel flow....total fuel burn.... less than 3000lbs.

The Bad....

Has ALOT of electronic bugs. Did I say ALOT!

The Ugly...

MDA 170 had a lightning strike. Fried all the exterior antennas.
No radio, no comm, no ACARS.
Fighter escort into PHL.

 

[bayoubandit]

stb

Is that thing unbelievably loud up front like the other Embraer jets? The 145 was worse than the 727 when hauling a$$.