East/West split up

[Fubijaakr]

This is one subject Doug Parker can be believed with: the new US Airways will be merged whole or not at all.

Agreed. All you ever hear Parker talk about is finding a merger partner. With new Delta and new United, the only logical USAir partner is AA. The AA name will survive, APA and AWA pilots will get together and vote the Pickleballers out of existence.

Probably eventually merge with a third party such as AA, and find a loophole that would negate the Nic award.

Doubt that JB would be a part of it.

Agree on both counts. Merge with AA. Then the representation election will pit APA/AWA against USAPA. USAPA will lose. Either APA or ALPA wil represent the pilots of "new AA".

 

[charlie2]

Agreed. All you ever hear Parker talk about is finding a merger partner. With new Delta and new United, the only logical USAir partner is AA. The AA name will survive, APA and AWA pilots will get together and vote the Pickleballers out of existence.

That wouldn't bother us, we didn't want USAPA we just DIDN'T want APLA so being APA would be great.

 

[Metrojet]

I heard an interesting rumor from an Easty in my JS a couple of days ago. Apparently a group of investor types includeing Waren Buffet are working on trying to figure out how to split Airways back into East and West. This is being done to for two reasons. One is to make the companies profitable and viable again. The other is the East would then be merged with Alaska. The West would then be merged with JB. This was just a rumor of course and we all know how rediculous this process would be. However a JB and West merger would actually make a little sense regarding route structure, fleet type, orders, etc.

That rumor has been going around for two months. It is possible

 

[Bringupthebird]

Is Morgan Fairchild available? That's a possibility too.

Of course with the east MO you'll end up with Morgan Freeman and brag about how much better a cook he is!!:laugh:

 

[fam62c]

I heard an interesting rumor from an Easty in my JS a couple of days ago. Apparently a group of investor types includeing Waren Buffet are working on trying to figure out how to split Airways back into East and West. This is being done to for two reasons. One is to make the companies profitable and viable again. The other is the East would then be merged with Alaska. The West would then be merged with JB. This was just a rumor of course and we all know how rediculous this process would be. However a JB and West merger would actually make a little sense regarding route structure, fleet type, orders, etc.

Warren Buffett had one (bad) experience with UsAirways in the past and I'm sure he doesn't want anything to do with this industry again ever.

 

[cactusboy53]

That rumor has been going around for two months. It is possible

Now where is that "Monkey's flying out of a Smiley's Back-side" icon???

 

[Fubijaakr]

That wouldn't bother us, we didn't want USAPA we just DIDN'T want APLA so being APA would be great.

I wonder if you'll feel the same when the Nic award is finally implemented and APA uses that to ratio you in. Don't get me wrong, I believe in DoH, but that ship has sailed for you guys.

 

[reepicheep]

I wonder if you'll feel the same when the Nic award is finally implemented and APA uses that to ratio you in. Don't get me wrong, I believe in DoH, but that ship has sailed for you guys.

No s*#t....AA has 47 777's vs. nothing equivalent at US; nearly half of all AA pilots fly 757's or larger vs. maybe 15% for Airways...DOH didn't just sail; it's in pieces at the bottom of the ocean...

 

[Sacha]

No s*#t....AA has 47 777's vs. nothing equivalent at US; nearly half of all AA pilots fly 757's or larger vs. maybe 15% for Airways...DOH didn't just sail; it's in pieces at the bottom of the ocean...

Well in Fudgepackers fantasy world, if American buys Alaska, he is going straight to the left seat of the 777. Reality is that it would go to Arbitration and he would be fenced on the 737 Combi, based in Fairbanks for the rest of his career.....after all, it's only fair. What a Dope.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Again, Sacka your lack of ability to read and understand old posts is astounding.

IF AA and AS merge, I'd be happy with DoH and widebody fences. That's exactly what I'd expect APA to propose.

 

[Dan Roman]

As has been pointed out, this rumor has been around a long time. It comes from USAPA people, not from the people in the boardrooms that actually know something about business.
USAir is unmergeable because they bring to many legal (courtesy USAPA) problems with them. The USAir east folks have pretty much made themselves the piriahhas of the industry. No airline BOD would approve a transaction that would result in having to deal with the USAPA pilots going forward, too many problems for anyone to want to deal with.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Pariahs? Piranhas?

 

[Dan Roman]

Take your pick, I typed it on my iPad and did not proof read!

 

[Metrojet]

As has been pointed out, this rumor has been around a long time. It comes from USAPA people, not from the people in the boardrooms that actually know something about business.
USAir is unmergeable because they bring to many legal (courtesy USAPA) problems with them. The USAir east folks have pretty much made themselves the piriahhas of the industry. No airline BOD would approve a transaction that would result in having to deal with the USAPA pilots going forward, too many problems for anyone to want to deal with.

Dan

Not trying to flame you - but you should worry about your HNL - LAX flying - you really have no clue what is going on at US - if we didn't have USAPA - we would all be junior to the entire west list!
Now go ahead and shoot back!

Metro jet

 

[xanderman]

Dan

Not trying to flame you - but you should worry about your HNL - LAX flying - you really have no clue what is going on at US - if we didn't have USAPA - we would all be junior to the entire west list!
Now go ahead and shoot back!

Metro jet

So you were furloughed and didn't bring a job to the merger?

 

[Bringupthebird]

Dan

Not trying to flame you - but you should worry about your HNL - LAX flying - you really have no clue what is going on at US - if we didn't have USAPA - we would all be junior to the entire west list!

So you are allowing Cleary to run roughshod over your rights because this is what you've been told? And you believe it? Did you ask anyone to prove it to you?

 

[Hpilot]

Dan

Not trying to flame you - but you should worry about your HNL - LAX flying - you really have no clue what is going on at US - if we didn't have USAPA - we would all be junior to the entire west list!
Now go ahead and shoot back!

Metro jet

If we didn't have merger policy and a court system, we'd all be junior to the east. C'mon you really think putting 80% of the AWA pilots on the bottom is fair?

 

[Bringupthebird]

Don't go down the "fair" / "unfair" road. That was for negotiations and that time has passed. The arbitration has been handed down and must be employed and not held hostage.

 

[JetMonkey]

Furloughes on top of ACTIVE captains?? Uh, hello? Fair?????

 

[AA717driver]

Split USAir? What, and lose all that synergy?


TC